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3.0 out of 5 stars Unfinished, 20 Mar. 2013
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This review is from: Sasha Involver 3 (Audio CD)
I have left this review until 4 days after release to give the album enough time to sink in, I have now listened to it in it's entirety approximately 15 times so I feel I am in a decent position to offer a balanced and educated view on the record. I have been listening to Sasha since the TDK days and go and see him play live regularly so I'm not new to electronic music or Sasha for that matter.

There is something strange about Involver 3 and it's taken me a few days to figure it out but I've now realised that it's an unfinished project. I base this opinion primarily on the overall flow of the album and the mixing. Sasha does not release many mix albums and when he does release studio albums they are usually phenomenal in flow and mixing execution, this album bears all the hallmarks of Sasha's latest sound but the transitions from track to track are appalling at times. Take for example the transition from the Ananda project into the Zabiela track!!!.... Give me a break! Sasha does not mix like that! It's lazy, it's choppy, I thought my CD had jumped when i first heard it.... Again if you listen to the penultimate track mix into the Keep Shelly in Athens track... Choppy, lazy and completely un-Sasha like. He doesn't mix like that live so why would he do it on a studio album... My theory is that he was rushed into releasing this by the label or he forgot to listen to the final version all the way through because he was sick of working on it... Another reviewer suggested that the absence of Charlie May had a detrimental effect on the album, I can only think an absence from Sasha himself from the studio caused the mixing to be so poor because he should be embarassed to put his name to it when we know he can do so much better....

I think many of the tracks are fantastic and enjoy listening to the album, would concur with the reviewer who mentioned the repetitive drum patterns though. There are some good ideas but I did expect more. Sasha said in his interview about this album that he struggled to get over the line with this one and it shows.... he also mentions that he doesn't want to listen back to it in it's entirety for a while either... Sorry to say but you should have give it a thorough listen through before it was released...

3 out of 5 for me, the music is great, love the remixes but the flow and mixing has not been given the appropriate attention. I keep thinking that one of teh studio engineers hashed it together to meet the deadline but maybe I expect too much. Judge for yourself guys

Just to make clear that the music is really good and would be easily 5 stars if not for the above issues and I would also encourage people to buy the album its definitely worth the price its just that it could have been so much more. So e of the reviewers on here are giving the album 5 stars whilst admitting that the mixing is a bit dodgy at times.... Yes thats right a studio "MIX" album with dodgy mixing, Sasha's philosophy on the involver series is that he can take tracks recreate/remix them so he can mix them at a deeper level but he has not done that on this record its as simple as that
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Initial post: 21 Mar 2013, 21:51:59 GMT
I'm in complete agreement with this review, for me too, it feels unfinished.

I'm also a massive fan of Sashas work and loved Involver and Invol2ver so was eagerly anticipating this release.

This isn't the seamless mix of beauty and beats the 2 previous releases offer, at some points as Zeezi mentions the mix is "Choppy, lazy and completely un-Sasha like". I was left feeling genuinely confused by it and still am.

I should point out that I'm actually commenting on the download version from iTunes.

I wanted to buy the download through Amazon but it wasn't available so I'm wondering if the positive reviews are coming from listening to the CD version and by some random mistake the download version is actually an earlier draft version of the mix released by mistake. Could that happen?

That probably says it all really. The version I've listened to sounds as Zeezi says, "Unfinished", like an early draft of something that could be great but hasn't been polished.

The tunes are there, they're good, they really are, and as a collection of separate remixes/edits (whatever you want to call them) they're worth the price alone but the continuous mix just isn't right and there's better progressive house mixes available for free (checkout Pole Folder 1AM @ Barkode 16.02.2013 on Soundcloud for a seriously good continuous mix).

This isn't Involver this is Devolver and it saddens me.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013, 22:07:46 GMT
Zeezi says:
Hey, its funny you should mention that because i have the itunes download version too, i ordered the vinyl from amazon but obviously theyre the singles.... I hope you're right about the CD being different because if not I think it's an embarrassment to release this mix... Have you heard how the foals track comes in at the end?... My missus was laughing today when she listened to it!! So bad and completely out of character, I feel like i need an explanation to be honest

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013, 22:39:56 GMT
Exactly how I feel.

Last night I spotted this tweet as well,

Gurps Singh @Gurps_Singh 19 Mar
@sashaofficial got it on CD and from iTunes, don't understand why they are different from each other.

Sasha ‏@sashaofficial 19 Mar
@Gurps_Singh they shouldn't be different.

Which has only gone to add more fuel to the fire.

I'm going to end up buying the CD at this rate just to confirm one way or the other.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013, 22:51:39 GMT
Zeezi says:
I so hope that the CD is a different version, I actually ordered the CD today anyway, was so excited about the release that I had to get the itunes version on release date haha. I think with better mixing this could be one of the best because i love the tunes... Hope you're right.... If they are different I wont be too happy at paying again, maybe he thinks theyre different because the CD doesnt come with all the singles like the itunes version?

Posted on 21 Mar 2013, 23:13:13 GMT
I have to sit on the fence with this one, as i type this now i am listening to it through headphones to pick up everything in fine detail and although im loving the tunes its feeling more like a live set than his first two studio masterpieces in the involver collection
I have been eagerly awaiting this album as i love Sasha for his effort in blending tracks together thats what makes him a genius.
Global underground 9 San Fran was my wake up call to how he works his magic and i have admired him ever since and i still do but i have to agree with you guys
Its like his heart was more in the remixes than the mixing on this one, or maybe we were all expecting so much more because of the long anticipated wait?
Lets hope he reads these posts and works on an Involver4

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013, 23:46:18 GMT
Zeezi says:
We are definitely not expecting too much, the mixing is not like it usually is. The remixes are out of this world but i just can't quite get my head around the transitions... still worth the money and some like :) Maybe he just wanted it to sound different who knows ?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013, 23:57:40 GMT
Just finished listening to it for 2nd time and I agree not expecting to much, its just not there with the transitions like 1 and 2
Will be listening to 1 and 2 through headphones tomorrow just to confirm to myself
Like you say still worth the money though

Posted on 22 Mar 2013, 21:22:44 GMT
I just got my copy on CD this evening in the post god bless snail-mail.
Firstly I agree with everything said about the previous two instalments - they are the kind of mixes & track selections that you can't really get elsewhere - just seamless in both mix points and transitions as well as being a journey that can be listened through from strat to finish but also selectively browsed dependent on mood.
Although I cant claim to have listened 15 times yet I do agree that the mixes aren't the sweeping fades and blends that the other two involvers have presented across track transitions. There's almost a hurried snatch at the fader in a few instances as if its been realised the previous track's about to run out in 4 bars - the levelling and general mood seems subject to definite step changes and theres no progressive feel to it in the snapshots ive concentrated on. Don't get me wrong, theres no issue with the technical side of the beatmatching (thankfully).
Having said that, the track choice is again top notch and the more prominent focus on female vocalists and ever so slightly more commercial-biased flavours doesn't detract from what is again a good set list.
All in all, on download or CD the issues seem to be the same. Dont read these reviews - buy it anyway and give a struggling DJ a boost in these austere times!!!

Posted on 25 Mar 2013, 15:20:48 GMT
My itunes version came with 1) all remixes 2) all remixes (beatless version) 3) Continuous mixes version of remixes and 4) Continuous mixed version of beatless. I didnt see the mixes until after I listened to the tracks and thought that something wasn't right!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 15:52:03 GMT
Zeezi says:
Yea i realise :). My point in the review is that the mixing from track to track in the continuous mix is very very poor. I dont think Sasha put that mix together i think he worked on the remixes, couldnt get the tracklisting right for the mix and someone else put it together. Im almost certain that he didnt put it together and if he did im worried. Mate he mixes better live and it doesnt make sense,
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