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1.0 out of 5 stars Dogmatic drivel, 8 May 2013
This review is from: Dogma and Disarray: Cameron at Half-Time (Kindle Edition)
Was anyone seriously expecting a fact based, reasoned argument from Polly Toynbee? If so, then perhaps you should get to know this self-loathing champagne socialist a little better. OF course, as a cultural Marxist, a socialist ideologue, she hates the Tory party; she is still suffering from the end of the New Labour revolution. The woman who called Tony Blair's egalitarian socialist whitewash the 'greatest government in my lifetime' has a very hard time admitting that the economic cuts are a direct result of the financial disaster that New Labour steered the United Kingdom directly into. To call Cameron's Tories dogmatic or Thatcherite is a pathetic argument and simply a way of distracting from the truth- the cuts are a necessity because of the bankruptcy of Britain, Ed Milliband will be unable to do anything different, the cuts are dictated by absolute necessity and, in truth, they don't go far enough to correct our basket case economy.

David Cameron is not a real conservative, he is a liberal and a democratic socialist- his agenda is very similar to that of New Labour except necessarily on a much tighter budget. Trying to depict him as a far right wing conservative heir to Thatcher is an insulting argument to anyone with any self awareness, he is the heir to Blair; plain and simple. I'm sure Toynbee would like to stimulate another fake credit boom by spending money we don't have and have the state running everybody's lives in a oppressive socialist nightmare, but not everybody think's this is preferable. Of course Toynbee, as a socialist of privileged background, likes to think of the working class as a great unthinking mass who needs guilt ridden rich ideologues like her to decide what's best for them, what's best for them is always the loving caress of the state.

Toynbee seems determined to keep the bloated welfare state despite public opinion and despite the country heading to insolvency, not to mention the demoralising effect of the state slithering its tentacles into the underclass and creating a culture of dependence that represses them. For a extreme left wing socialist to call Cameron 'dogmatic' is unbelievably hypocritical.

Do not expect a balanced argument from a New Labour liberal who has her ideology shackled to her feet and dogma narrowing her mind, only three years since the end of the 13 year New Labour disaster and she is now laying all of the blame on Britain's woes on a half-term coalition, it is truly insulting and either breathtakingly ignorant or simply dangerously dogmatic to the extent that a balanced argument is impossible (illustrated perfectly by this garbage book). This is Toynbee propaganda at its worst, as she is tied to her ideology she is incapable of a fair and balanced argument and so her social commentary is extremely suspect indeed. She is part of the problem in British society, not the solution.

I must say that I did not vote Conservative, nor do I think the coalition is doing a good job cleaning up the disastrous mess that New Labour socialism created. I think Cameron is a gutless wishy washy liberal professional politician with very few principles, to call him dogmatic is to suggest he actually has true principles- he does not. This is simply Toynbee pushing her socialist agenda and using propaganda to try and whitewash the truth, what she called 'the greatest government of my lifetime' was an economic and social disaster for the United Kingdom and New labour Lite, the Cameroonian Tory's are not up to the job of turning things around because of how much courage and fortitude it would take to roll back the great, bloated, wheezing intrusive state Blair and Brown created which is not financially viable or socially desirable.

Toynbee is a hypocritical ideologue who knows nothing of the real lives of real individuals in British society. She has nothing useful to say or to contribute to the necessary reform of British politics, society and culture which is desperately needed.
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Initial post: 11 Jul 2013 15:21:55 BDT
Let me get this straight - you think Polly Toynbee is an extreme left wing socialist because she wants to keep the welfare state? And Cameron is a wishy washy liberal? Who would you like to be running the country, then?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Aug 2013 14:42:47 BDT
Ben Kelly says:
No I think Toynbee is a left wing socialist for a number of reasons, this is what she is; and I don't want to have no welfare state I just do not want a bloated broken system we have now. Yes, Cameron is a liberal, certainly not actually a conservative, maybe you should research what these things actually mean if you don't really know what i'm talking about. If you think any of the current choices we have in our horrifyingly dysfunctional political system are up to the job of reforming our fragile country then more fool you.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Sep 2014 22:49:19 BDT
ChaplainBill says:
Polly Toynbee may well be a left wing socialist - it is quite immaterial, and quite legal (still) What you cannot suggest is that she knows nothing of the real lives of real individuals in our society. Take a look at her book "Hard Work". This is not a "champagne socialist."

It may also be necessary to point out that Labour were only in power in the UK at the time of the 2007/8 crisis. They cannot be blamed for an international failure and for the huge deficits which were the only way out - unless we had followed the example of Iceland. Remember that, in the early years of their administration, they ran an almost unprecedented budget surplus for several years.
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