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1.0 out of 5 stars Ubisoft decide to join EA's sinking ship., 22 Oct. 2008
This review is from: Far Cry 2 (PC) (Video Game)
If your idea of computer ownership is to drive down to PC world every 5 years a buy and new computer, then never open it up then you might think Securom is not an issue for you. If you only play games for a year or so after you buy them, never return to them years later you might think Securom is not an issue for you. If you never sell your second hand games then you might think Securom is not an issue for you.

BUT.... Most gamers will upgrade their hardware one item at a time every 3/4 months, some more often. This burns an activation. Most serious computer users will reinstall their operating system every 6 months due to the registry becoming a mess over time. This burns an activation. Most gamer enjoy returning to old games years later. Some will sell their second hand games when they get bored of them.

What most gamer don't do is Pirate games (yet). But when a distributor decides they are going to treat all their PAYING customers like criminals, and sell them rentware games that will only last a user like myself less than a year at most, then their customers stop buying those games. A lot will even think if I am going to be treated like a criminal I might as well pirate it anyway. Spore is a classic example. The heaviest DRM ever became the most pirated ever.

I want to buy this game, but I won't due to DRM, I don't rent games at £25. If they want to sell me a years license at £10 I might consider it. Or if they don't want to include digital cancer on my product I'll happily pay £35 for it.

The distributors would try and tell you its about stopping pirates, RUBBISH. Securom has had no impact on piracy, in fact indirectly it has boosted it to new highs.

Securom is all about making you buy new games regularly and killing the second hand market. Its greed of the highest order. But what they are doing is not just killing the second hand market, their also killing the first hand market. Notice how every title with Securom has to go straight to discount price before even being launched, that's because customers won't stand for this treatment.

So think your unaffected? Well you can tell us all how it doesn't matter to you. And when the PC games market is dead because all the paying customers have been driven away you won't have any new titles to be ripped off by. Everyone loses with DRM, Us, you, distributors and game makers.

Take a look at Stardock, they have been successfully selling millions of copies of Sins, and they use zero DRM, it's a major selling point for them. Most Pirate sites don't even list Sins. Why would they, the original product is superior, regularly updated and customers are respected.
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Initial post: 24 Oct 2008, 22:04:04 BST
Exactly m8....... Bioshock is the same and i bought it second hand and got shafted, so am now left with a piece of plastic basically that i cant do nothing with as it wont install at all.

Posted on 25 Oct 2008, 08:22:39 BST
Very Good Review on the current PC video Game DRM Malware nightmare. (Thats why Ive been driven to BUYING a PS3) - Just put the Game into the loading Bay, play it instantly, for weeks or months, then resell on eBay.co.uk at a decent price, then BUY a new release.... (online) - or Just bring it to "Gamestation", when you want a new PS3 Blu-ray Game and trade it in for a new release. - Same for the Xbox 360 - same rules apply.. and you dont have to spend a small fortune upgrading your graphics card every 9 months. + upgrading motherboard or CPU every 2 years.! (well the obsessive ones do!)

At the Minute Far Cry 2 is out on all 3 platforms PS3, 360, and PC, - in my humble opinion I prefer the PS3 edition for many reasons, the second hand price also holds its value more than the 360 version, even tho theres not that much difference Graphically.

At the minute, the PC market has become stale for up and coming new developers, in many blogs all over the net, next gen, developers have now switched to console gaming, because thats where the money is to be made.
Even CryTek have said "in a press statement", they are aiming all their resources to support the next gen XBOX and Sony Consoles. from 2009 - onwards.

Posted on 25 Oct 2008, 14:59:04 BST
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Posted on 27 Oct 2008, 16:07:48 GMT
Lloobee says:
Hey you're right. I've preordered Fallout 3 but probably won't bother buying this until it hits £10.

Posted on 27 Oct 2008, 19:18:05 GMT
Gda Tinnion says:
Hi All,
You will have to forgive me, but at 53 I am new to the gaming world and love it. I played Far Cry 1 and found it brill and I have just finished Bioshock, which I enjoyed, So forgive my ignorance I dont understand some of the reasons why you think Far Cry 2 is so bad. What is DRM? and if I come to play Bioshock in two years time will it re-load and play? So if I buy far cry 2 will I be able to play it? Help!!!!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Oct 2008, 11:15:00 GMT
DRM is digital rights management. In a nut shell it checks with the people who made the game via the internet to see if you're still allowed to play it. This may be over spmplifying it but the basic concept is you have 5 tokens (for want of a better word). If you install the game one token is used. If you change your hardware the game may (wrongly) see this as a different computer and require another token to be used. If you bin your PC and buy a more up to dat model a further token will be used. When all 5 tokens are used up your game is useless and will refuse to start. Some companies ditch the idea and open up an infinte amount of tokens after (for example) 12 months as this gets them over the period when most games are pirated. The point is though that it is not you who gets to decide when and where you can play the game you paid for. Specifially with regard to Bioshock I have to say I don't know - it may depend on how many hardware updates you have carried out in the mean time.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Nov 2008, 16:48:53 GMT
Bioshock had drm like far cry 2 does, so if you, like most people who realise its nothing to get your knickers in a twist about, played and enjoyed bioshock, then the drm with far cry 2 should be nothing to worry you. In all honesty you'd be best reading about drm somewhere where opinions are unbiased, on amazon, it appears to be a perverse excuse to warrant pirating a game to save a few bucks.

As for the game, try review sites, eg eurogamer.net gametrailers.com ign etc for genuine reviews.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Nov 2008, 02:21:17 GMT
KOSH says:
This I think is what they want you to do BUY A CONSOLE instead of porting a game David, you only buy for the console. Consoles are boring the games suck badly, and they just don't have that spark a PC game does...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Nov 2008, 02:28:07 GMT
KOSH says:
Taylor are you all for paying £25 to rent your game??? im not. If I like a game I want to be able to play it 2-3 years down the line not have some company sell me a game, limiting my usage can't undate my tech or computer or software, it's like you buy a car and you can only drive it 100X then you have to pay for futher usage of it get the picture. No it is not biased to have an opinion...console owners don't have this problem so why do we...and no we do not pirate game DRM is a farse so we have to buy the game over and over if we want to play it.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Nov 2008, 15:49:59 GMT
A. Whitehead says:
It's worth pointing out that Bioshock's DRM was removed several months after release specifically because of the massive backlash against its use, so as long as you've patched or upgraded the game to the latest version, it should be absolutely fine.
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