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1.0 out of 5 stars Illegal if he was still alive, 2 Jun. 2014
This review is from: Bare-Faced Messiah - The True Story of L. Ron Hubbard (Hardcover)
I'm not sure Miller could have conveyed his utter disdain for Scientology any more thoroughly. He repeats unproven smears without sources and you can feel the hatred on every page. It's more of an angry rant than a book. If Hubbard was still alive he'd sue the author for libel for printing so many lies.
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Initial post: 11 Mar 2015 23:27:45 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Mar 2015 23:32:55 GMT
Thomas says:
First off, you fail to provide any evidence that you even read the book. You know as well as I do that scientology prohibits its members reading critical information and censures them severely if they do. And in a cult culture of absolute conformity ruthlessly enforced by snitching, relentless interrogations and even surveillance, they will find out! Per the policy of disconnection, scientology prohibits you from any contact with critics, including your own family--unless you want to be kicked out and harassed yourself. These are well-established FACTS.

HAD you read it, you would know that this is an extremely well-sourced book! Its tone is professional and journalistic. Its sources are plentiful. (If you want "hate," check out one of the countless character assassination hate web sites sponsored by "Freedom" magazine and other more nefarious "church" sources. Speak about "unsourced"...)

The book exposes in great detail the fraudulent life history that L Con Hubbard claimed and that the cult members dutifully repeat to this day. These sources have been available to a multitude of authors, and they all came to the same conclusions. And they all prevailed against court challenges all over the English-speaking world. The L Con Hubbard fraud is widely debunked! So you (who hasn't read the book) are right, and they are all wrong--including their fact-checkers and the courts that presided over all the frivolous law suits against those books?

Whether Hubbard is alive or not has nothing to do with it. The "church" has faithfully continued to execute his tradition and policies of dishonesty, "black PR" (dissemination of trumped up or false claims against its critics) as well as their persecution with legal, extra-legal and illegal means. They harassed this book's author personally and dragged him to court in several countries--and lost in ALL of them! Interestingly, they NEVER even tried the "libel" angle! Telling, isn't it!

If you STILL think this book promotes "lies," go find out for yourself. Browse the internet, and see what people have to say about the cult's relentless greed, family disconnections ordered by the cult, human rights violations perpetrated against members and former adherents. If you must, pick up Dianetics (easily available online for free) and ask yourself if any of Hubbard's quack "science" REALLY is backed up by anything but the say-so of this school drop-out who claimed so many false credentials.

But do yourself a favor: Only go to a "church" or "mission" if you are prepared to take a personality test that is deemed fraudulent by the courts in France (a judgment upheld in appeals), and if you enjoy being relentlessly pestered and hit up for money. Be also advised that this is the only "church" that will not reveal its "teachings" upfront. A thorough brain-washing and financial fleecing precedes that privilege! (Or look up "Xenu" on the internet for a good chuckle about Hubbard's demented audacity).

You call yourself "Zero." I will not stoop to what the cult would undoubtedly do with that, as ad-hominem attacks are the mainstay of their unimaginative playbook (Check out their numerous hate sites, or the "Freedom" propaganda organ which would make a N Korean functionary flinch. Talk about "libel!"). I will, however, point out that your moniker coincides well with the number of points your "review" of an unread book scores!

Disdain for scientology? This is simply about exposing a charlatan deemed "schizophrenic and paranoid" by a California Superior Court, and--in the words of a London High Court--an "immoral and socially obnoxious" cult. You wanted the courts to speak--there you have it!

Posted on 11 Mar 2015 23:47:43 GMT
Skyman says:
Really good response Thomas and at least you have shown that you have thought about this and done some research. Unfortunately a reasoned argument will not get throught to Zero because reason is not his strong point. As you have pointed out in your review, there is no evidence that he has even read the book. He has taken the easy option of alluding to things such as "smears without sources" without actually substantiating any of it. Any fool can do that in a review, and most fools do.
In way this is fortunate because most people with some intelligence in this world will immediately realise his "review" is really just a mindless rant against something which does not accord with his view of the world. If you look at his other reviews you will see that he has his own agenda and his own way of seeing things.......and he is not open to seeing anything else no matter how many facts you put in front of him.
I'm sure L. Ron Hubbard would have welcomed him with open arms.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2015 01:35:50 GMT
Thomas says:
Well, L Con Hubbard's minions have welcomed him with open arms, and the results are, well, telling... Pity!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2015 16:23:03 BDT
Thank you for your thoughtful reply to 'Zero'. Perfect!

Posted on 2 Aug 2015 13:48:59 BDT
John Davison says:
Wow, Zero, you must be even happier now Lawrence Wright's book has come out. I recommend you read it.

Posted on 18 Oct 2015 01:09:16 BDT
I think, 'Zero', that you're beginning to get the idea by now that there are many of us out here in the real world who are quite well aware of what Hubbard's actions would be were he still alive. The book on Paulette Cooper might provide some clues.

Posted on 18 Oct 2015 01:13:08 BDT
Sorry, 'Zero', I forgot. Probably the 'Church' won't allow you to read the Cooper book in case you find out a few uncomfortable facts about this cult. Or 'Religion'. So it looks like you're stuck old matey. Damned if you stay, damned if you attempt to get out.

Posted on 27 Dec 2015 16:18:29 GMT
SP_WOG says:
Another OSA goon?

Posted on 17 May 2016 17:33:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jul 2016 13:01:29 BDT
Hmmm, you must have read a different version to me, Zero.

Far from ‘unproven smears without sources’ you will find that Miller researched very extensively and interviewed dozens of people who actually knew Hubbard. These sources have been documented and transcripts of some of the interviews made available. In addition many other sources are referenced and documented. Or perhaps you didn’t actually read the book?

Miller is an well-respected journalist and, in my opinion, wrote a very fair and balanced biography of Hubbard. The fact that Hubbard is revealed as a liar, conman adulterer and quite probably mentally ill, is hardly Miller’s fault.

And as for being sued, the cult of Scientology DID attempt to sue the publisher. Didn’t stop the truth coming out.

Looking at Zero’s other reviews shows a love of anything written by Hubbard and an extreme dislike for anything written by any person that is critical of Hubbard or Scientology. An curious observer might see these and make an inference as to Zero’s ‘religious’ affiliations. I couldn’t possibly comment…
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