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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 15:26:17 BST
J. Forbes says:
Damaskcat wrote: "Fine I'm dense then."

At last we are agreed on something! Champagne all round.

Here is the answer to the question that you asked because you were too dense to understand the blindingly obvious:

A load of uncritical reviews will make people suspicious that the reviews have been written by the sellers.

Not difficult, I should have thought. That's why I asked if it was a serious question.

Now please feel free to flounce off again.

Posted on 3 Apr 2013, 15:19:15 BST
Neg-Magnet says:
Bob, Quiverbow, Damaskcat, L Hennessey - you are intelligent people, excellent reviewers, and your integrity is not in question. What on earth are you doing here on this forum?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 15:14:09 BST
J. Forbes says:
For somebody who doesn't understand why I keep going on about Vine, you are remarkably generous with your time in trying to enlighten me.

From the various posts I have made you will know that I think that the motives for reviewing a Vine item are different from those for reviewing an item that one has elected to spend money on. And I am trying to understand whether and how Amazon and its suppliers can influence such reviews. Because I am sure that they would love to influence the reviews if they could, and I am sure that they are constantly trying to think of ways to do so.

By "poor", I did indeed mean unfavourable. That is what a poor review means, to the supplier. Sorry for the confusion.

I would suggest that an unfavourable review of a book is likely to be perceived as more subjective, and therefore less of a problem, than an unfavourable review of a product like a vacuum cleaner. As I said earlier, there's no such thing as bad publicity (in some cases!).

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 15:12:52 BST
Damaskcat says:
They could:-) Any employees with a small amount of spare time could just be asked to churn out reviews in return for free items.

Maybe certain people on here think we're really Amazon employees anyway and we're allowed on here to add verisimilitude . . .

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 15:10:32 BST
Damaskcat says:
Fine I'm dense then. Fortunately I know your opinion of my intelligence is completely wrong otherwise I could be quite upset by your comments. I think it's just your excuse for not addressing the point I made. That is the first resort of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about - to blame the other person for not understanding what they're saying. Please note I did explain what I meant by the question I asked and provided examples and you still can't answer it - except with personal attacks.

At least it gives everyone else a chance to make up their minds about you.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 15:09:27 BST
Quiverbow says:
And if they did tell us what to write, they could save themselves sending anything out by getting a dozen people within the company to write five star reviews (although the occasional favourable review from a publisher does get posted). Be far easier, cheaper and quicker, I would have thought except they wouldn't be able to post a book review until it's available to buy.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:58:29 BST
J. Forbes says:
Even the finest communicators discover that there are some people who are just too dense to get through to.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:57:53 BST
Quiverbow says:
"I think one of my problems in getting a handle on Vine (which I instinctively feel uncomfortable about)"

Why does the concept of Vine make you feel uncomfortable? Do you feel the same about magazines/newspapers, etc. that are also given things free to review? Or is that you think amateur reviewers cannot possibly know what they're on about when compared to someone who is paid to write the review?

"I don't buy the novellas which appear to be the main item on Vine, or Kindle covers, or AV software. With all three, a poor review is unlikely to happen often"

There are plenty of 'poor' reviews on those items, or do you mean 'unfavourable', as that is wrong too. There are lots of books from Vine that have been slated by many people.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:51:22 BST
Bob says:
Although as Damaskcat says we do not have to review 20% so we have a limited choice which to review. This means that the suppliers never know if they are going to get a review or not.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:44:36 BST
It's not really a "gift" as such, if the idea is to provide a review. It's not like your Mother-in Law giving you a jumper for Christmas. It's about being given a sample to review and provide feedback.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:26:37 BST
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Damaskcat says:
Yes it was a serious question. Maybe you can't explain your point of view. Negative/critical reviews could be posted for all sorts of reasons - e.g. by someone who is employed by a competitor. Favourable or unfavourable reviews can be posted for all sorts of reasons too.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:17:11 BST
Damaskcat says:
Unconditional free gifts actually because you don't have to review - you can leave 20% un-reviewed.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 14:16:15 BST
Damaskcat says:
Exactly. Amazon do not tell Vine members what to write - in fact they specifically say that it is our opinions which are wanted.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:58:19 BST
J. Forbes says:
LOL.

Posted on 3 Apr 2013, 13:27:52 BST
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:20:35 BST
I have seen the distinctive Vine reviews on all sorts of products : cameras, laptops, TVs, coffee machines, kettles, irons, DVDs etc etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:17:35 BST
J. Forbes says:
I think one of my problems in getting a handle on Vine (which I instinctively feel uncomfortable about) is that I never come across Vine in practice. I don't buy the novellas which appear to be the main item on Vine, or Kindle covers, or AV software.

With all three, a poor review is unlikely to happen often, and it's the publicity that makes it worthwhile.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:10:40 BST
They can do that without providing covert market research opportunities to other companies, though. Vine only makes sense to Amazon if it is public.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:10:37 BST
J. Forbes says:
They are being given free gifts.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:10:06 BST
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:09:58 BST
J. Forbes says:
So it was a serious question?

I suggest you ponder it a bit longer.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:08:46 BST
But they are independent, as people can say what they like and are being given no steer as to what to write?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:08:04 BST
J. Forbes says:
There is every benefit to Amazon in being able to sell products which satisfy consumers.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:06:50 BST
Damaskcat says:
For a start reviews are never going to be impartial as they are people's opinions. I don't think you understand that.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Apr 2013, 13:05:00 BST
J. Forbes says:
Indeed it was. I had posted it with a small "o" at the beginning of the sentence which starts "Or maybe".
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