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Lies! And the lying liars that tell them.


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Initial post: 20 Apr 2014 23:10:34 BDT
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Posted on 21 Apr 2014 04:40:23 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 08:31:18 BDT
Kleist says:
Gormless claims that he knows lots of stuff about what 'ALL human beings do' and understands that it is 'due to the construct of the brain and its relation to the senses.' That we 'delete and generalise as a way to map reality...' and that 'therefore we never understand or know reality.'

He is obviously lying because if we can never understand or know reality, we can never understand or know this. But if he doesn't know or understand this then there is absolutely no reason to assume that it is true, so he is lying to himself.

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Posted on 21 Apr 2014 09:10:17 BDT
Bladders (additional): misogynist, wife-beater, advocate of child abuse, paranoid sociopath.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 09:23:16 BDT
Kleist says:
'In reply to your post on 21 Apr 2014 09:00:04 BDT

Gomless-gormless-gnomus says:

Agreed....lying is a constant phenomena....even now.'

I don't believe you.

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Do you know the liar paradox Simon? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liar-paradox/

It's rather interesting. My own solution (or dissolution) is to be quite deflationary about 'truth.' But I still don't find it satisfactory.

On the other hand I am very interested in global scepticism, but I find it 'absurd' to argue for global scepticism on the basis of 'knowledge' of the mechanisms of, for example, the brain. For obvious reasons. This is not a dismissal, but a challenge: I don't claim that there is nothing in such views, just that, as they stand, it is hard to make out how they might work.

Posted on 21 Apr 2014 09:23:54 BDT
This is so pathetic.

Posted on 21 Apr 2014 09:26:07 BDT
Given the sheer volume of lies being told on this forum and passed off as truth, I regard their removal as tantamount to a public duty. Doubly so when holocaust denial is involved.

Perhaps you feel differently?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 09:26:26 BDT
Kleist says:
Hi Chief. You might be right.

How are you today?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 09:40:45 BDT
Surely it makes more sense to challenge the person at the time of remark/seek deletion then, rather than yet another one of these childish threads. Just strikes me as some kind of immature, vote seeking exercise to make one feel better about oneself as they're not contributing or challenging anyone when doing things like this. Then again, it's not the first thread made & surely won't be the last.

All good, thank you. You ?? Enjoyed the easter weekend ?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 09:46:16 BDT
Kleist says:
Very good thanks.

A quiet weekend for me. My wife took my little boy (three) on an Easter egg hunt yesterday. Which left me to look after our 7 week old daughter. She just woke up a couple of times for a bottle and then went to sleep again, so I had a quiet day. When they got home he was very excited to show me his basket of chocolate eggs.

Going to see my mum today, its her 79th birthday. After that, another quiet day I hope.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 09:51:01 BDT
Kleist says:
I do think Ryan has a point about these posters. (Though I think Spin is a harmless enough idiot). But it is clearly intended to provoke.

Posted on 21 Apr 2014 10:10:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 21 Apr 2014 10:10:50 BDT
I do not like the fact that Sheldon, Anthony etc. can quote one of Bladders' posts and be deleted for no apparent reason, yet the original post remains intact.

I do not like the fact that Mad Maz, Dim M and Bladders are allowed to serially breach the rules and get away with it, while others are punished without apparent justification.

I do not like the way the worst offenders seem to have been granted immunity, and not simply because it breaches Amazon's own rules. It also sets an extremely bad precedence - when it becomes 'right' to call gay people a 'plague', and 'wrong' to call them up on it, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Others may sit back and permit this backsliding and gradual erosion of objective truth and free inquiry. I will not be one of them.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 10:15:38 BDT
Tony.....what do you mean by work?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 10:31:08 BDT
Kleist says:
Gomless-gormless-gnomus says:

Tony.....what do you mean by work?'

In this context I mean that they might give adequate grounds which do not require ignoring anomalies.

To make a claim which requires the falsity of the very claim made requires an odd kind of logic. Paradox is not out of the question, but not something I believe we can logically embrace without deliberate self-deception.

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Kleist says:
If you don't then you are left with the ineffable. This is simply a poor excuse for stopping thinking. The point is that you don't really understand beyond language and logic, but merely say or think you do (lies or self-deception). Any fool can say that they understand something but can't say what it is. But understanding is as intimately tied to language as articulation is.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 11:20:32 BDT
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Posted on 21 Apr 2014 11:57:24 BDT
"it is only odd if you understand through the limits of language."

What is odder is thinking you can avoid language and ideas, since language and ideas are all you can use by definition. Even being anti-idea is still an idea.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Apr 2014 12:30:20 BDT
Snowyflake says:
My own experience determines that god is not real.

That was easy. Now what are we arguing about, Gomer?

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Kleist says:
My research has largely been in Continental philosophy, though I do have an interest in Zen. I don't really know what is meant by researching my own experience. All my experiences are my own.

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