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Why should gays not enjoy the same rights as the rest of society?


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Initial post: 29 Jan 2014, 15:36:32 GMT
Bearman says:
This topic seems to crop up quite regularly in other threads, but usually gets bogged down by statements regarding disease, and the anatomical aspects of homosexuality. So I thought I would start this thread to discuss the legal/human rights aspects and see if anyone has a reason that is more valid than "just don't like the idea of same sex couples having sex" for not granting gays the same rights as the rest of society.

In the UK we have equality legislation that now grants gay people the same rights as everyone else. recently there has been a discussion on the Christian hotel owners who refused to give a same sex couple a double room and would not recognise their civil union status. From my point of view (and that of the law), they were a business that was discriminating against gay people. They paid the price. Are there any other similar examples that we can discuss?

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 16:30:09 GMT
My experience is most homophobes have self loathing,from their own suppressed homosexual feelings,late at night while crying in their pillow.
Discrimination is never right.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 16:38:03 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jan 2014, 16:38:19 GMT
Bearman says:
So you are saying that people, such as the old Christian couple who refused to give the gay couple a double room, are in fact closet gays?

I know that this does actually happen as in "protesting too much", but I doubt that this was the case in the hotel example.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 16:57:14 GMT
"Most"

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 18:57:59 GMT
In the style of CW Bradbury:

Because 'society' as we know will unravel. God will vent his wrath on all the sinners/liberal-communists who support 'homosexuals', and don't vote for honest, hard-working failed BNP candidates like myself.

[Insert alien conspiracy gibberish.]

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 19:12:02 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 19:14:56 GMT
Spin says:
Bear: How does a denial of Rights prevent a gay person being gay? Surely you mean to say why should homosexuality not be allowed to express itself i.e; why should homosexuality not be considered a normal behaviour, a behaviour supported by Rights and Freedoms (not vice versa, as your post inadvertantly implies). Hence the question, is homosexuality normal psycho-physical behaviour? Further when it comes to equality legislation, the law is discriminatory; not all sexualities are "legal" or supported by legal rights. The issue of "consent" plays a large role in such legislation, but this concerns the consent of the individual, not that of society as a whole. Remember the case some time ago of the two german gays who consented to cannibalism? One guy consented to have a strip of his thigh cut off, fried and eaten by the other. Their action involved consent and they harmed no-one, but they are both now in mental institutions. I am not, of course, equating homosexuality with such perversions; my point concerns "consent"; a concept misused by those blinded by secularism. The consent of the individual is not necessarily the consent of society, or vice versa.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 19:54:11 GMT
Homosexuality is normal for people sexually attracted to the same sex.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:21:15 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jan 2014, 20:34:34 GMT
Spin says:
Michael: By "normal" I mean "natural"; I personally object to the arguments of religious and secular anti-gay campaigners but I am honest enough to admit that homosexuality is not conducive or beneficial to the reproduction and survival of the species we call "Homo Sapiens". I have the greatest understanding and sympathy for disabled folk (indeed I am "disabled" myself) but I do not claim that physical or mental abnormalities are "normal" except in the sense that they are an unavoidable consequence of the nature of sexual reproduction and genetics.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:32:29 GMT
Kleist says:
I heard a Christian magistrate on Monday's 'Beyond Belief' on Radio Four saying that she had to step down (or felt obliged to step down) because she would have to be involved in gay adoption. It was, she said, a matter of conscience.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:34:04 GMT
I think we have enough straight people to keep the human race going,a minority of gays isn't going to bring the human race to and end anytime soon.Whats normal for a minority is always abnormal for the majority.
Is being left handed abnormal?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:35:42 GMT
The assumption being gays should not raise kids,it wasn't conscience,it was bigotry.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:39:54 GMT
Spin says:
Michael: A scientific experiment proved that species resort to homosexuality when their environment becomes limited. As you are not a proponent of "Natural Selection" let me put the conclusion this way; God created homosexuality as a "check" on over-population. So homosexuality is part of God's plan. Unless he is not as omniscient and omnipotent as you guys make out. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:42:40 GMT
I am a proponent of natural selection,the rest ,I think I agree with you.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:44:18 GMT
Kleist says:
'Michael J. Mason says:

The assumption being gays should not raise kids,it wasn't conscience,it was bigotry.'

Yes, I entirely agree. But she said that as a Christian she couldn't condone it.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:46:47 GMT
Oh,well I wasn't aware she was a Christian bigot!

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:50:33 GMT
Kleist says:
There appear to be a lot of them about. Do you think this is coincidence?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 20:54:10 GMT
No I don't think it's coincidence,coincidences are few and far between.

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 21:13:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jan 2014, 21:31:48 GMT
Spin says:
Atheism and secularism are nothing more than intellectual laziness.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 21:16:25 GMT
And empty sloganeering betrays a mind smaller than Kim Jong Un's Xmas card list, and base attention-seeking.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 21:30:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jan 2014, 21:30:39 GMT
It'd still be better than intellectual bankruptcy, Gills.

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 21:32:39 GMT
Snowyflake says:
Spin's theism is showing :)

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 21:37:30 GMT
Spin says:
Why, if gays understand the folly of religious belief, do they fight so hard to be accepted by the church?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014, 21:46:15 GMT
Bearman says:
No Spin, that's not what I mean, but thanks for your input.

Posted on 29 Jan 2014, 21:47:51 GMT
Snowyflake says:
Homosexuals do not want to be 'accepted' by the church. They just don't want to be persecuted, discriminated against or bullied by religion.
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