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50% of murders in britain aged 1year or younger


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Initial post: 31 Aug 2014, 20:16:34 BST
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In reply to an earlier post on 31 Aug 2014, 20:35:32 BST
Last edited by the author on 31 Aug 2014, 20:38:47 BST
It seems odd to me that a staggering tragedy of this magnitude never seems to feature in CWB's world, but he can't rant lie slur defame or insult people enough if they won't accept his repulsive views on abortion. Then again his religion does have a tradition for advocating infanticide.

That aside it's an appalling stat. stu, truly heartbreaking and a sad indictment of our society if accurate.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Aug 2014, 21:19:02 BST
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 10:16:25 BST
G. Heron says:
Stu

"What a lovely country we have turned into, half of the murders that happen in Britain are under the age of 1year."

Is this due to an increase in child murders or a decease in adult murders?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 10:32:55 BST
Snowyflake says:
We are a lovely country and the murder rate and violent crime overall is decreasing. Remember there are 60 million of us and the number of murders is quite low.

Posted on 1 Sep 2014, 10:50:14 BST
Last edited by the author on 1 Sep 2014, 10:59:25 BST
TomC says:
The actual figures are:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2012-13/rft-table-1.xls

Appendix table 2.03: Offences currently recorded as homicide1,2,3 by age and sex of victim, 2002/03 to 2012/13

England and Wales
Age of victim Sex of victim 2002/03 2003/04 2004/054 2005/065 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/126 2012/13

Under 1 year

Male 14 18 10 14 10 10 10 10 10 5 11
Female 17 8 11 7 6 11 6 11 7 9 11
Total 31 26 21 21 16 21 16 21 17 15 22

1-4
Male 15 10 10 5 15 12 7 6 9 11 14
Female 11 9 8 4 8 8 8 10 7 7 8
Total 26 19 18 9 23 20 15 16 16 18 22

5-15
Male 10 16 11 8 16 16 9 7 15 7 14
Female 24 10 10 9 11 6 6 3 8 7 9
Total 34 26 21 17 27 22 15 10 23 14 23

16-29
Male 151 172 190 165 174 182 162 133 125 109 107
Female 58 54 61 76 52 49 47 39 39 44 28
Total 209 226 251 241 226 231 209 172 164 153 135

30-49
Male 214 231 198 178 209 217 163 160 168 151 156
Female 83 72 73 88 74 66 62 69 79 59 57
Total 297 303 271 266 283 283 225 229 247 210 213

50-69
Male 71 84 96 75 73 80 81 69 82 53 61
Female 59 39 36 28 29 31 29 33 34 23 30
Total 130 123 132 103 102 111 110 102 116 76 91

70+
Male 62 21 29 22 17 14 12 18 22 22 17
Female 155 30 31 27 16 29 38 28 29 22 28
Total 217 51 60 49 33 43 50 46 51 44 45

Total all ages

Male 537 552 548 467 514 531 444 403 431 358 380
% 57 71 70 66 72 73 69 68 68 68 69
Female 407 222 231 241 196 200 196 193 203 171 171
% 43 29 30 34 28 27 31 32 32 32 31
Total 944 774 779 708 710 731 640 596 634 530 551

I think I'm reasonably capable at interpreting and manipulating numerical data, but I'm struggling to make those numbers in "Under 1 year - total" amount to anything like 50% of those in "Total all ages". Perhaps Stu would like to help me out.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 11:48:29 BST
Stu says:
Clear my friend that you got your figures from a different place to myself?

Posted on 1 Sep 2014, 11:55:25 BST
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 11:55:52 BST
TomC says:
I'm sure that's true. I got mine from the UK Government Statistics website. Since it relies upon information from the Home Office, which in turn uses data from the police and the courts, it is as authoritative as you will get.

Where did you get yours?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:05:46 BST
Last edited by the author on 1 Sep 2014, 12:07:23 BST
Stu says:
Well I googled it Tom and the results came up on one of the sites there, and it was also in the newspaper my neighbour gets the guardian

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:09:07 BST
TomC says:
It would be helpful if you could supply a link.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:11:17 BST
Stu says:
I will have a look again and tell you ok

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:35:08 BST
Last edited by the author on 1 Sep 2014, 12:36:02 BST
Stu says:
child homicide l statistics l NSPCC
Ok TOM pretty sure that was the one.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:37:51 BST
Anita says:
It's not a link, Stu - ?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:50:27 BST
Last edited by the author on 1 Sep 2014, 12:51:43 BST
TomC says:
That is not a link. This, however, is:

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/statistics/child_homicide_statistics_wda48747.html

There is nothing on that page to support the assertion that "half of the murders that happen in Britain are under the age of 1year." What it does say is that "Infants aged under one year are more at risk of being killed at the hands of another person than any other single year age group in England and Wales."

This may well be true - the figures I have quoted certainly support it - and it is tragic in its own right, but it's a completely different statement from your original one.

EDIT: And the stats on that page are derived from the government statistics I referred to earlier. They have to be.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 12:56:32 BST
Stu says:
I apologise Tom if I misread the figures, can I CLOSE THE THREAD FOR MY MISTAKE?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 13:07:57 BST
TomC says:
No problem Stu.

It's just that I am sad enough to take an interest in statistics and it seemed such an unlikely number that I thought it was worth looking up. And you're right, it is a serious problem, and worth being concerned over.

The other point is that while the adult figures have declined to about half over the last decade, the infant deaths have not significantly changed.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Sep 2014, 13:23:05 BST
Stu says:
I think they have just gone up slightly that is what the paper was on about Tom and that made me concerned.
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