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Is the mendacious Theistic accusation of Atheistic belief a facile attempt to validate their own irrational belief?


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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:51:22 BDT
##### says:
"you are mistaken. You say that a belief is not a fact. However, it is a fact. "

fact
Noun
A thing that is indisputably the case.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

be∑lief
Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

You're going to have to offer some evidence for that assertion, as the definition of the two words seems to refute your premise.

Posted on 28 May 2013 20:52:37 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:01:11 BDT
Snowyflake says:
"Western science is based on our linguistic heritage. It's a prejudice."

I always thought science was based on evidence and facts by testing hypotheses and gathering and analysing data. How can science be a prejudice when the very nature of scientific enquiry requires objectivity.

"The human consciousness is one; it is bound eventually to break the back of science."

That is a belief not based on anything factual isn't it? Unfortunately for believers, science is out of the box and it ain't going back in.

BTW it always amuses me that those who decry science wouldn't think twice about going to a doctor when they are sick, talk on mobile phones, fly vast distances in the space of a few hours to get some sunshine and write on internet forums using their scientifically designed and engineered computer. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:15:02 BDT
Snowyflake says:
I have no issue with believers believing in God. I have issues with believers claiming the inside track to absolute truth. And believers, unfortunately, are not holding their beliefs quietly, privately, in solitude and silence. A small proportion of them are out blowing up busses, flying planes into buildings, hacking soldiers to pieces, murdering doctors who work at abortion clinics and throwing petrol bombs at each other during 'parade season'.

If religious belief were quiet, no one would have a problem with it. I personally believe that religious belief is harmful, delusional and a hindrance to human progress. It creates the prejudice automatically by virtue of the various 20,000 different doctrines currently running rampant in the world.

I'd like to know what is wrong with reality and reason? We use it almost exclusively for everything else in our lives but we throw it out the window when it comes to religious belief.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:19:23 BDT
Snowyflake says:
I don't expect miracles because I don't believe miracles happen. I don't believe virgins give birth, that the dead come back to life, that snakes or donkeys talk or people ascend into heaven. I believe people are consummate story tellers and stories getting embellished over the years with continued telling. This is how legends are made. I love a good story but I certainly don't believe it to be fact or truth unless there is evidence to support it.

Posted on 28 May 2013 21:23:15 BDT
J A R P says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:27:29 BDT
##### says:
Bravo...

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:28:40 BDT
##### says:
Well well, and again, bravo..

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:38:02 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:40:24 BDT
'It is indisputable that, somehow, God and that person are together.'

Why?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:52:28 BDT
Henry James says:
Mrs Shaw asks plaintively "I'd like to know what is wrong with reality and reason?"

Well, it's just fine, but I wouldn't want to use it when I was doing things like buying a house, figuring out how much mortgage I could afford, deciding how many kids to have, investing my retirement funds, or anything important.

Posted on 28 May 2013 21:54:57 BDT
Snowyflake says:
"And a person in a state of belief is living an event. And events are facts, so to speak. Evade it and analyse this in English, or some other language. Nothing changes about the inner essence of the event. It is indisputable that, somehow, God and that person are together."

Believing something does not make it a fact. The asylums are full of people who believe they are Jesus or Napoleon. Just because they believe it doesn't make it true. I agree that people experience things that are often construed as religious or spiritual events and that they would like to attach some kind of significance to it and some think this is a message or an indication that God is speaking to them. These feelings are no doubt real but the interpretation of them is flawed in my opinion. There are biological reasons for such responses and the science bears this out.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:58:18 BDT
Snowyflake says:
Well, Spin, if I could see God that would help. That would be a good starting point. If he made his presence known to everyone then that would be great. All this skulking around in the ether is irritating. :) Just come out.

What does God want from us?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:01:27 BDT
Snowyflake says:
"Mrs Shaw asks plaintively "I'd like to know what is wrong with reality and reason?"
Well, it's just fine, but I wouldn't want to use it when I was doing things like buying a house, figuring out how much mortgage I could afford, deciding how many kids to have, investing my retirement funds, or anything important."

Henry, are you suggesting that you don't use reason and reality to buy a house, figure out your mortgage, decide how many children to have, invest in retirement funds. So reason is not necessary for anything important?

In that case, I have some land for sale, would you be interested? :)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:02:45 BDT
Henry James says:
Mrs Shaw
Do you think my habits have any relation to the fact that I am in debtors' prison?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:04:49 BDT
##### says:
What indeed. In fact why would a being with limitless knowledge and power want anything from us? It doesn't seem very logical.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:08:23 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:09:33 BDT
Snowyflake says:
All I could ever get out of Christianity was that God wanted our undivided devotion and endless worship and that he was more important than family or friends. And for that, I get the grand prize of eternal life doing what? Singing endless praises to an egomaniacal God? It sounds like hell to me.

Belief is not logical. It's emotional and stems from the fear of death and eternal nothingness. Humans are very egotistical. We believe we are much more important than we actually are. It's part of the delusion. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:09:38 BDT
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Posted on 28 May 2013 22:14:19 BDT
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Posted on 28 May 2013 22:17:09 BDT
Snowyflake says:
Hi Spin. The evidence for all those things is there. You asked me what would convince me of God's existence. Since seeing and hearing are used quite a lot as a human, if God wants me to know he's there, he ought to make himself known. He's the one with all the super-powers right? I don't have super powers, being a mere mortal.

I am fairly certain, based on previous experience and knowledge, that you are a real person typing on the internet just like I am and that you are not God. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:19:20 BDT
Dr HotFXMan says:
Diane,

There is no need to show how stupid you are when you are doing such a splendid job of it yourself by such posts.

And you still owe me an apology.

Posted on 28 May 2013 22:21:48 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:23:38 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:24:32 BDT
Snowyflake says:
OK Reginald (I thought your name was Jason?) :)

Actually, your beliefs are something you have to come to terms with. They are not my beliefs. And I don't have to agree with you on this subject. You believe stuff. Great. That is your right as a human being. I don't pigeon hole anyone for their beliefs. We are having a civilised discussion and it is obvious that there is some disagreement.

Perhaps you can tell me why you believe in God?
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