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How Can Anyone be so Stupid as to Take the Bible Literally?


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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 18:15:14 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 18:16:56 GMT
Neil,

"The bible instructs one to 'Keep not holy days'"

Do you avoid keeping holy days religiously?

Wayne

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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 18:30:29 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"My message is simple."
Yes, and tired, self-serving, overused, lacking in unevidenced and useless.

"Your writing is more like a scoffers rant than a considered response."
Well what else is there to do when faced with someone imagining thselves to have the attention of the creator of the universe but absolutely no insight into that same universe?

"But wait until you have received that heavenly blast that comes from Christ:
The Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues!"
When I speak in tongues I will be messed up!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 19:15:47 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Wayne,
Moses was as you say an Egyptian; so what was his name before the pharoeh's daughter adopted him and named him? The name Moses derives from the Egyptian word mose, meaning "offspring" or "heir", as in Tuthmose: "born of Thoth".
http://suite101.com/article/moses-real-man-or-biblical-myth-a61554#ixzz2OYeK7wms
I beleive Moses was Akenhaten the son of a Pharoah, this was why he was venerated, and the head of the 'tribe' he led out of Egypt. And would also account for why the Pharoah pursued him to kill him so that he could not return and claim the 'throne?' Saying that the Egyptians worshiped the sun was wrong, that was simply the visual sign which represented the ONE all prevailing God.
Just as the cross or fish is a symbol of Christianity, but they don't worship the cross or fishes.
I am still in the process of collecting information.. and am slowly working through and cross referencing as much as I can from all views and aspects. I will post as I go.
One thing I do know is that there was nothing mysterious about any of the lives of the people written about in the Bible... if that were so, then we would have experienced miracles throughout our ages. We have not. There is normally a logical Historical explaination for things, and if there isn't there is a scientific explaination.
You really do need to go back and read the post I left, and just let yourself be free of the dogma for one minute.
I am not asking you to deny 'God,' but just to get rid of all the superstition and fairy stories, and read with an open mind and heart.
I happen to call god 'The Power of the Universe, Breath of Life - or Universal Conciousness.' whatever floats your boat.. Nothing seriously bad has ever happened to me or mine because of it.. in fact I consider myself to have been extremely fortunate and happy 99% of the time. Not necessarily rich in monetary terms but rich in love.
As I said previously, Oshu did exist..... he was Zacharious's son. The rightful King of the 'Jews' and was an Essene, this much we know from History. That is where all the confusion happened: because his parentage was hidden: to protect the child, and enable him to grow up and then reclaim the 'throne' as an adult.....There that does make sense...
The NT is a story, made up by a devious self seeking employee of the Romans, which was added to by Urban Legends. The truth was lost: because learned scholars at the bidding of their Masters: conveniently bent it, by omitting and adding what their Masters required; sometimes on pain of death; as a means to control the rabble through fear.. This has grown in the West to be the biggest con of all time, and the excuse for all Wars up until the First World War, when Power, Money and Oil became the God of choice.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Mar 2013, 19:26:49 GMT
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Posted on 25 Mar 2013, 19:46:14 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hyksos, Ahmose, Akhnaton
Moses and the exodus ???
The author and the inventor of the biblical Moses, studied in Egypt well and was well acquainted with a lot of its famous literature and some of its true historical events. However he lacked historical background, since he mentions few things that did not exist in the time of the exodus, for example; the fact that the Egyptians did not use burnt bricks to build the city of Pi Ramses, nor were Mud bricks used, but stone.. The burnt bricks were used in roman times for city construction.
Also the Egyptians did not have camels until 40 A. D when they were introduced as a way of transport by the Romans.
The astronomical figures of masses of people were so exaggerated, but it was acceptable in the Christine age to add few zeros, and spice up stories to make them more dramatic and grandiose. (As they do even today?),
The amount of parallel data cannot be ignored, for it concerns almost every aspect of the bible for Egyptian Data proves the originality of the historic events and literature in Ancient Egypt.
The Authors also never thought ahead in time.. when people would be able to discover the truth one day through Archaeology and Science. The Roman empire was desperate to control the vast empire they conquered. Losing battles against the northern barbarians, and having revolts in the middle east, gave them the the idea (via Paul) of unifying a new religion and creating division among the middle eastern neighbours. And so began the forging and changing, of religious and historical facts.
One of the most famous characters was Josephus Flavius , "Josephus Flavius was a Jew who grew up in Jerusalem at the beginning of the Common Era/Cuurent Era/ChristianEra/BC/BCE. Was very well educated, knowing both Jewish texts and the Greek language, although his Greek grammar was faulty.. During the Great Revolt from 66-73 CE, Josephus served as a general of the Galilee. When the Roman army overcame his forces, Josephus and 40 commanders and compatriots fled to a cave. They agreed to commit suicide. Josephus fixed the lots so that his name would come out last. After the others had killed themselves, Josephus convinced the remaining fighters to surrender with him. As a prisoner of the Romans, Josephus volunteered to write the history of the Great Revolt. General Vespasian (who was later the Emperor) agreed. Josephus thus provided the Romans and us with a first-hand account of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. It must be emphasized that Josephus was writing for Vespasian, so his work is definitely biased. He mentions several times in his Greek writings that he created an Aramaic version of the events as well, but it, unfortunately no longer exists.. Following the end of the war, Josephus was taken to Rome, where he wrote `The Jewish War.' His second major work, `Jewish Antiquities' described the entire history of the Jews. It included a great deal of material from the time of Alexander the Great to the destruction of the Second Temple. However, because of Josephus' proclivity to depend on HEARSAY and LEGEND, scholars are never sure what to accept as fact. The Greco-Roman period involved the most changes in our religion. It is also the most obscure to Historians. We don't know a great deal about Jewish history from the time of Alexander the Great until the Bar Kochba Revolt. Our sources are few.
Josephus Flavius was thought by many to be a true Roman, because he fought with the Romans in Massada against his fellow Judeans, who considered him to be a traitor. He falsified the History of the Jews.
The Romans, using men such as Aralias Pasco , the Governor of Syria under General Vespasian who was the inventor of Christianity, murdered on mass and got rid of most Jewish priest and learned men, and enslaved the nation, by enforcing their own teachings and propaganda to control the masses. They began with the destruction of the Universities and Schools in Egypt then in Judea and other nations. They destroyed what was on the surface in Egypt, but not what was hidden in the ground. By the time of Christianity, the people could no longer read the Ancient Egyptian Language but relied on the Greek texts and other stories of the time.

The Egyptian Religion was so powerful all over the ancient world, that Rome had to contain it or even better replace it with something that they could use to control the masses and enslave the Middle East.

Famous Egyptian Historian Manetho was a Greco-Egyptian priest in the Temple of Heliopolis, who was born in Sebennytos (in the Delta) during the 3rd A.D. His "Egyptian History" divided the rulers into dynasties, or ruling houses and formed the basis of the modern system of dating Ancient Egypt. He had access to many sources which no longer exist, like temple records, but was also familiar with legends and fanciful stories. As a result, some of his stories have to be taken with a pinch of salt by discerning readers..
Full copies of Manetho's text no longer remain. We only have short sections of text and a few references in the writings of Josephus Flavius (1st century A.D), Sextus Julius Africanus (3rd century B.C), Eusebius of Cesarea (3-4th century B.C) and George Syncellos (a Byzantine historian from the 8th century A.D). As a result, our knowledge of the original text is limited, and coloured by the opinions of the authors who referred to him."

Posted on 25 Mar 2013, 20:02:28 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hyksos, Ahmose, Akhnaton
Moses and the exodus ???
The author and the inventor of the biblical Moses, studied in Egypt well and was well acquainted with a lot of its famous literature and some of its true historical events. However he lacked historical background, since he mentions few things that did not exist in the time of the exodus, for example; the fact that the Egyptians did not use burnt bricks to build the city of Pi Ramses, nor were Mud bricks used, but stone.. The burnt bricks were used in roman times for city construction.
Also the Egyptians did not have camels until 40 A. D when they were introduced as a way of transport by the Romans.
The astronomical figures of masses of people were so exaggerated, but it was acceptable in the Christine age to add few zeros, and spice up stories to make them more dramatic and grandiose. (As they do even today?),
The amount of parallel data cannot be ignored, for it concerns almost every aspect of the bible for Egyptian Data proves the originality of the historic events and literature in Ancient Egypt.
The Authors also never thought ahead in time.. when people would be able to discover the truth one day through Archaeology and Science. The Roman empire was desperate to control the vast empire they conquered. Losing battles against the northern barbarians, and having revolts in the middle east, gave them the the idea (via Paul) of unifying a new religion and creating division among the middle eastern neighbours. And so began the forging and changing, of religious and historical facts.
One of the most famous characters was Josephus Flavius , "Josephus Flavius was a Jew who grew up in Jerusalem at the beginning of the Common Era/Cuurent Era/ChristianEra/BC/BCE. Was very well educated, knowing both Jewish texts and the Greek language, although his Greek grammar was faulty.. During the Great Revolt from 66-73 CE, Josephus served as a general of the Galilee. When the Roman army overcame his forces, Josephus and 40 commanders and compatriots fled to a cave. They agreed to commit suicide. Josephus fixed the lots so that his name would come out last. After the others had killed themselves, Josephus convinced the remaining fighters to surrender with him. As a prisoner of the Romans, Josephus volunteered to write the history of the Great Revolt. General Vespasian (who was later the Emperor) agreed. Josephus thus provided the Romans and us with a first-hand account of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. It must be emphasized that Josephus was writing for Vespasian, so his work is definitely biased. He mentions several times in his Greek writings that he created an Aramaic version of the events as well, but it, unfortunately no longer exists.. Following the end of the war, Josephus was taken to Rome, where he wrote `The Jewish War.' His second major work, `Jewish Antiquities' described the entire history of the Jews. It included a great deal of material from the time of Alexander the Great to the destruction of the Second Temple. However, because of Josephus' proclivity to depend on HEARSAY and LEGEND, scholars are never sure what to accept as fact. The Greco-Roman period involved the most changes in our religion. It is also the most obscure to Historians. We don't know a great deal about Jewish history from the time of Alexander the Great until the Bar Kochba Revolt. Our sources are few.
Josephus Flavius was thought by many to be a true Roman, because he fought with the Romans in Massada against his fellow Judeans, who considered him to be a traitor. He falsified the History of the Jews.
The Romans, using men such as Aralias Pasco the Governor of Syria: under General Vespasian who was the inventor of Christianity: murdered on mass and got rid of most of the Jewish priests and learned men, and enslaved the nation, by enforcing their own teachings and propaganda to control the masses. They began with the destruction of the Universities and Schools in Egypt then in Judea and other nations. They destroyed what was on the surface in Egypt, but not what was hidden in the ground. By the time of Christianity, the people could no longer read the Ancient Egyptian Language but relied on the Greek texts and other stories of the time.
The Egyptian Religion was so powerful all over the ancient world, that Rome had to contain it or even better replace it with something that they could use to control the masses and enslave the Middle East.
Famous Egyptian Historian Manetho was a Greco-Egyptian priest in the Temple of Heliopolis, who was born in Sebennytos (in the Delta) during the 3rd A.D. His "Egyptian History" divided the rulers into dynasties, or ruling houses and formed the basis of the modern system of dating Ancient Egypt. He had access to many sources which no longer exist, like temple records, but was also familiar with legends and fanciful stories. As a result, some of his stories have to be taken with a pinch of salt by discerning readers..
Full copies of Manetho's text no longer remain. We only have short sections of text and a few references in the writings of Josephus Flavius (1st century A.D), Sextus Julius Africanus (3rd century B.C), Eusebius of Cesarea (3-4th century B.C) and George Syncellos (a Byzantine historian from the 8th century A.D). As a result, our knowledge of the original text is limited, and coloured by the opinions of the authors who referred to him."

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Posted on 25 Mar 2013, 20:13:30 GMT
Pipkin says:
Question and Facts
v The name Moses is an Egyptian name which means the legitimate heir or son of.
v Why the Bible failed to mention the name of the pharaoh or most of the Kings of Egypt?
v Why the Bible failed to mention the name of Pharaoh's daughter?
v No Reed Basket could survive in the Nile, many tried that experiment and it utterly failed. All baskets with baby dolls drowned in the basket. However there is the famous story of Isis when she hid her son Horus from his evil uncle Seth, in a reed basket in the marshes., again a story that was copied by the inventors of the bible.
v Why would a Princess of Egypt, unmarried adopt a foreign child in the first place? Just let us assume that her kind human heart was to save the poor child from the Nile, but then how did Moses's sister Miriam, an Egyptian name from "Meryamen " gain access to the Palace or the Princess. Maybe it was fate and the will of God?
v The Old Testament mentioned that slaves burned bricks to build the new Store City, a practice that wasn't introduced until the Roman period. In Egypt they used dried mud bricks but did not burn them. And the city of Pi Ramses was built with Stone, and not mud bricks.
v Why would a Prince of Egypt run away after killing an Egyptian Foreman? Surely his `adoptive' Mother the Princess, daughter of Pharaoh, would protect him, if not the Pharaoh himself? Unless no one was above the law and murder was not acceptable in a civilized/democratic society such as Ancient Egypt who had laws far more advanced than the so called ten commandments?
v Moses story when he escaped to the Midianite tribes can be found in the classical story in Egypt from the Middle Kingdom in the famous story of Sinuhy

" He set me at the head of his children. He married me to his eldest daughter. He let me choose for myself of his land, of the best that was his, on his border with another land. It was a good land called Yaa. Figs were in it and grapes. It had more wine than water. Abundant was its honey, plentiful its oil. All kinds of fruit were on its trees. Barley was there and emmer, and no end of cattle of all kinds. Much also came to me because of the love of me; for he had made me Chief of a tribe in the best part of his land. Loaves were made for me daily, and wine as daily fare, cooked meat, roast fowl, as well as desert game. For they snared for me and laid it before me, in addition to the catch of my hounds. Many sweets were made for me, and milk dishes of all kinds."
Please note also.. that other parts of the very same story were later copied for the story of David and the Goliath; in exactly the same manner, which is more proof that they copied these stories from famous Egyptian stories and classical tales.
"There came a hero of Retenu,
To challenge me in my tent.
A champion was he without peer,
He had subdued it all.
He said he would fight with me,
He planned to plunder me,
He meant to seize my cattle
At the behest of his tribe.
The ruler conferred with me and I said: "I do not know him; I am not his allie, that I could walk about in his camp. Have I ever opened his back rooms or climbed over his fence? It is envy, because he sees me doing your commissions. I am indeed like a stray bull in a strange herd, whom the bull of the herd charges, whom the longhorn attacks. Is an inferior beloved when he becomes a superior? No Asiatic makes friends with a Delta-man. And what would make papyrus cleave to the mountain? If a bull loves combat, should a champion bull retreat for fear of being equalled? If he wishes to fight, let him declare his wish. Is there a god who does not know what he has ordained, and a man who knows how it will be?" At night I strung my bow, sorted my arrows, practiced with my dagger, polished my weapons. When it dawned Retenu came. It had assembled its tribes; it had gathered its neighbouring peoples; it was intent on this combat. He came toward me while I waited, having placed myself near him. Every heart burned for me; the women jabbered. All hearts ached for me thinking: "Is there another champion who could fight him?" He raised his battle-axe and shields while his armful of missiles fell toward me. When I had made his weapons attack me, I let his arrows pass me by without effect, one following the other. Then, when he charged me, I shot him, my arrow sticking in his neck. He screamed; he fell on his nose; I slew him with his axe. I raised my war cry over his back, while every Asiatic shouted. I gave praise to Mont, while his people mourned him. The ruler Ammunenshi took me in his arms."
v Why on earth would impoverished slaves have a festival for seventy days of wine, dine, and dance? Their Egyptian masters must have been too kind to let them have such a feast and not work.
v Why would Moses the prince of Egypt need his brother to translate from Egyptian into a Semitic language to explain to people who had lived in Egypt for more than 400 years, spoke Egyptian and had Egyptian names? Perhaps their Egyptian language was washed away while crossing the Red Sea, (Reed Sea) or it was forgotten while being lost in the Sinai with Moses and his followers for forty years.
v Exodus 3:21-22 and 12:36 that god gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians and that every women will asks her neighbour for silver and gold for their sojourn from Egypt. The Egyptians were very kind to their neighbour slaves who were in a such a hurry to leave Egypt?
v The Ten Plagues can be read in Egyptian fairy tales such as the story of Si Osiris and the Sealed letter. When a battle of magic between the famous Egyptian ten year old boy named Si Osiris son of the famous magician and Prince Stena Khaemose of Egypt - son of King Ramses II, against the giant Ethiopian magician.
v More strange, they went up armed out of the land of Egypt, 6000,000 armed men with their families only to be chased by the Pharaoh himself with a mere 600 chariots (exodus 14) each manned by two charioteers, making a total of only 1200 of the Pharoah's men, charioteers and bowmen, against a formidable armed force of 600 000 of Moses' men, of which at least they would have had a minimum of one hundred thousand capable fighting men. Wow!!!! The Egyptians must have also lost their mind to chase after them or may be the Egyptian army was armed with formidable weapons that are unheard of till today? However we know that the population in Egypt during this period could not have been in the hundreds of millions. Egyptian population at Ramses time must at best have been just over two million. So the Israelites left Egypt and wandered in the desert? Why bother, when they could have taken it by force. The Egyptian army of Rameses II numbered a maximum of 20,000 as in the battle of Kadesh , not even 100,000. The Egyptian would have been outnumber sixty to one.
v the crossing of the Sea of Reed and the opening of the Sea of Reeds in two halves, can be read in an old fairytale from Ancient Egypt called the Lotus Flower and The Magic Book of Princess Ahura
v Why would Moses carry the Royal Sceptre which belonged only to a King or Co Regent? Why would he have it, and show it to the people? Was he a King or perhaps a Co Regent. The latter being unlikely because no prince would have the Kings sceptre.
v Where did two million people wandering in Sinai come from?(Exodus 13),
They were armed and far too rich to be impoverished slaves?
Were they the 60 000 inhabitants who lived in the city of Akhenaten and
were then exiled to live in the city of the lepers by order of the new military generals in Egypt during the end of the Akhenaten period under the new appointed boy king Tut Ankh Amun
v Why was Moses lost in Sinai for forty years, with his extreme knowledge of Astronomy, and the expertise and education in Egypt and of those who were with him?
v The Tempest Stele of King Ahmose I, Found in the Karnak Temple in Thebes. King Ahmose I who liberated the north of Egypt from the rule of the Hyksos and finally expelled them from Egypt. These stories have remarkable similarities with those in the Bible..

Posted on 25 Mar 2013, 20:20:13 GMT
Pipkin says:
The Stele of King Ahmose I: ... now then ... the gods declared their discontent. The gods caused the sky to come in a
tempest of rain, with darkness in the western region and the sky being unleashed without cessation, louder than the cries of the masses, more powerful than [...], while the rain raged on the mountains louder than the noise of the cataract which is at
Elephantine.
The biblical plagues have a similar theme: ... a thick darkness, without the least light, spread itself over the Egyptians; whereby their sight being obstructed, and their breathing hindered by the thickness of the air ... under a terror least they be swallowed up by the dark cloud ... Hail was sent down from heaven, and such hail it was, as the climate of Egypt had never suffered before ... the hail broke down their boughs laden with fruit.
The Tempest Stele: ...Then his Majesty began ... to provide them with silver, with gold, with copper, with oil, and of every bolt of cloth that could be desired. Then his majesty made himself comfortable inside the palace.
In the Bible: ... This is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, silver, and brass [copper]. And cloth of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen ... oil for the light, spices for anointing oil and for sweet incense ... and let them make a [palace] sanctuary that I may dwell among them.
Josephus Falvius Histories of the Jews:...The Theban Pharaoh attacked the walls of Avaris, with an army of 480,000 men, and endeavoured to reduce the Hyksos to submission by siege. Despairing of achieving his object, he concluded a TREATY under which they were all to evacuate Egypt and go whither they would unmolested. Upon these terms no fewer than 240,000 families with their possessions, left Egypt and traversed the deserts to Syria [later explained as being Jerusalem].
The biblical texts says: ... Speak now in the ears of the Israelites, and let every man borrow of his neighbour, the Egyptians ... jewels of silver and jewels of gold. And the Lord gave the Israelites favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they gave them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.
v The Ark of the Covenant, a holy vehicle housing the two tablets. So why was it of an Egyptian design adorned with Egyptian images and Egyptian godly designs like an Egyptian Goddess with the wings around the box ?
v The Tabernacle was nothing but the mobile Egyptian Temple used by the Pharaoh when leaving Egypt for war or visits abroad or during military campaigns and while laying siege to cities. As king Ahmose I surely did outside the gates of Avaris the capital city of the Hyksos.
v What language was the Ten Commandments written in? Aramaic, Hebrew, Canaanite, or perhaps Egyptian? Since the mass of the exodus only spoke and wrote Egyptian? Hebrew was not yet invented or known, not until the year 600 B. C New evidence in Egypt is emerging of the development of the Hebrew written words, from Hyksos period.
v The Ten Commandments, why two out of ten are adultery (women & neighbour) ?
Ancient Egypt had the Forty Two Holy Commandment of Maat, of which Rape is the second highest sin after murder. Something neither the Bible, Torah nor the Quran mentions. Does their god perhaps not recognise Rape as sin?
1. I have not committed murder, neither have I bid any one to slay on my behalf;
2. I have not committed rape, neither have I forced any one to commit fornication;
v Why were Slavery & Rape not considered as a sin in the Bible?
Especially slavery? Or what was the point of the Exodus, and the freeing of slaves? What was that God trying to prove by freeing the slaves out of Egypt? What purpose does it serve, especially if they are to be allowed to commit
the very same act of enslavement and genocide to other tribes.
v Out of 2.000,000 people who left Egypt, not one was able to write about these spectacular events nor left any written documents... We are expected to believe that the Scribes and Priest among them, just carried their stories and bible through the oral tradition. At a time when the mythical Solomon - now identified as king Amenhotep III - was busy building these great mythical buildings, which have not been found. Nor can any shred of evidence be found for their existence.
v Why did Moses, an Egyptian Prince, need his brother Aaron to speak to Pharoah and ask for the freedom of their people. Why was Aaron not killed by the King of Egypt? What language does Moses actually speak, if not Semitic, Hebrew, or Egyptian. We know he spoke fluent Egyptian because he lived all his life in Egypt as a Prince? Maybe he spoke LATIN???
v Where is the evidence that the 2,000,000 people who allegedly escaped from
Egypt lived and wandered in the Sinai for forty years:- Graves, Wells, Food supplies, Animal stock, Faeces, may be some broken Chariots, Wheels, Objects or even Settlement areas.... (Anything)? But nothing has ever been found in the dry desert in Sinai , despite it being thoroughly excavated and investigated..
v Why Aaron the new High Priest make the golden Calf Goddess Hathor' for the Israelites to worship and dance, after Moses left them for forty days to have a meeting with God on top of a mountain in order to receive the two engraved tablets containing the ten commandments? Did they all loose their faith and revert back to the Egyptian worship of the old gods? When Moses came back he was so furious he broke the stone tablets and destroyed the statue of Hathor and murdered and slayed 3000 of his own people but not his brother? He forgave him, and afterwards disappeared for another forty days to ask for a duplicates of the two stone tablets from god? Why did God take so long to make these tablets? It is a known fact that an Egyptian scribe can carve and polish two tablets within four days.
v Exodus 12 mention of Egyptian priest that left with Moses. Were they Atonist priest? Their names in the bible were - Mery Re Levi, Penhasy, Mary, Maya, Bint Aneth, Korah, Datham, Abiram and On son of Peleth. All very Egyptian names. This was the Second Exodus during the time of King Akhenaten
v It was Pharaoh Horemhab and his Generals who destroyed the Akhnaton Royal Family and erased all their names, cities, statues, tombs and the names of the four Pharaohs from Akhnaton, Semenkhare, Tutankhamun and Ay. It was forbidden after the old reforms of Egypt to even utter the name of Akhnaton or the name of Aton (God) and was punishable by death. That is why in the Jewish worship they don't mention Adonie, but say Jehovah. Adon is the same as Aton and means Lord. Ai means My therefor Adonie, means My Lord in Hebrew. ATON is the name in the bible, yet not allowed to be pronounced by the readers of the bible, instead they read it as Yehova.
Schema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echod .
please note the if a man called Tutu in Egypt, his name will be pronounced Dudu in Canaan or Syria, the T becomes a D.
v Menatho, the Egyptian historian 300 BC, wrote of two expulsions from Egypt
a) The shepherd- foreigners ` Hyksos' in the sixteenth century BC
b) Foreigners and lepers. (The followers of Aton)
v Why did Moses turn against his Midianite tribe and have them killed and the remainder enslaved? After all the help and hospitality they gave him, and he married one of their daughter. Why would the Prince of Egypt became a simple shepherd - a job held by the women in most Bedouin tribes? In Numbers 31 the Bible tells the evil tale that twelve 12.000 armed men sent by Moses; slew all the males, five leaders, and all male children, and women who were not virgins, then distributed all the rest of goods and the captured Midianite Virgins and wealth among the twelve tribes. What a terrible vengeance to wreak on the tribe of his wife? And this from a prophet sent by god to free people from oppression and slavery? It is was a holocaust and genocidal act equal to anything that such evil leaders like Hitler did in modern History. And makes Moses the first war criminal inthe history of the world, according to the Bible. That is, if the bible is true....
1- crimes against humanity
2- genocide and ethnic cleansing
3- theft of private property
4- rape of virgin girls
5- murder of innocent civilians
6- The slaughter of non-combatant women prisoners.
7- The slaughter of non-combatant young boy prisoners.
8-The use of young girl prisoners as Israelite sex slaves.
v Only two known survivors made it to the Promised Land with a new generation after forty years of wandering. Moses was killed in a final battle with his Bedouin allies by the Egyptian army in Sinai.
v Analyzing the story, one can see clear evidence that a group of students lived and studied in Egypt, and were well acquainted with the above tales and literature of ancient Egypt, and the Mystery Schools of Egypt, but were very bitter, angry, and envious of Egypt and Egyptians in general, as some religious fundamentalist feel today when they live or study in the USA or Europe. They rebel against the social system and the advanced host nation, and refuses to adopt or change, usually owing to racism and discrimination by the advanced culture, as the Egyptians were. Since they were famous for their arrogance and had no respect for anyone who was not Egyptian, they referred to foreigners in their language as barbarians. An example is: the harsh treatment meted to Pythagoras when he was given permission to study in Egypt by king Amasis.
v These biblical scholars or students felt a need to create a kind of self supporting History for the enslaved people, based on Egyptian tales, literature and historic events, and that is the only reasons behind the ambiguity of most of their biblical stories that had no logic, or any kind of reality, especially no historic or archaeological proof. Just simple fantastic fairy tales as some modern stories like the Lord of the Rings or Hollywood style of movies, in order to influence the ignorant and the simple minded, the more the fantastic the story is, the more they gained power and built up Fanatical Religious feeling in their own people. (Hollywood would have made a better script.)
Tales to be told to desert nomadic tribes who lived in the desert or primitive tribal community, like the tales of `One Thousand and One Nights' in the Middle East this still holds great fascination among children as well as adults
It is evident that the inventors of the story of Moses were not well informed in dates and true facts of the time, or they would have written a better convincing story.

Was RAMSES II The Pharaoh of the Exodus since it was he who built a city after named after himself. Just as Akhnaton did. Many Bible scholars see that thereare anomilies in Bible date of the Exodus and the Egyptian dates of the 18th dynasty. Thus many of these Bible scholars exchanged the 18th dynasty to the 19th dynasty as the time of the Exodus, identifying Ramses II as the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
Most Egyptologists and Archaeologists date Ramses II's reign from 1279 to 1213 B.C. However 1 Kings 6:1 says that 480 years separated Solomon's fourth year (966 B.C.) from the Exodus in 1446 B.C. Scholars who identify Ramses II as the Pharaoh of the Exodus consider the 480 years of 1 Kings 6:1 to be only 284 years in order to date the Exodus, 1250 B.C. in the middle of Ramses II's long reign of 67 years.
a) Ramses was a supply city in Moses' day, not a capital city. The Pharaoh of Moses birth built Ramses and Pithom as "supply cities" (Ex.1:11), Ramses II built Pi-Ramses as his CAPITAL city, not a supply city.
b) Zoan, not Pi-Ramses was the capital of Egypt in Moses' day. Numbers 13:22 and Psalm 78:12,43 imply that Zoan (Tanis) was the capital of Egypt when the plagues fell on Egypt.
c) In Moses' day the supply city of Ramses was built out of burnt bricks (Ex.1:11 5:6-9) but Pi-Ramses, the capital of Ramses II was built of stone......
d)The Hebrews and the tribe of Asher, lived in Canaan 100 years, some 350 years before Ramses II reigned. (Asher was one of the 12 tribes of Israel.)
e) Ramses II reigned too long to be the Pharaoh of the Exodus. Pharaoh of Exodus must have reigned less than 10 years, Ramses II reigned 67 years.
f) Merenptah, the thirteenth son of Ramses II, reported in his 5th year of reign that the Merenptah Victory Stele that Israel and many other nations, was desolated in Canaan. However the Bible says Israel conquered Canaan 40 years after the Exodus and remained at peace for another 40 years? These numbers and dates are unbelievable....
g) The Conquest occurred in the archaeological age called Middle Bronze II, not the Late Bronze Age.
h) The First born Son of Ramses II, prince Amenherpekeshef died from a severe head wound, not from the plague, and he was well over thirty years of age not a child as the bible say. So it can't be him, he was either killed in battle or accident as his mummified shows a head wound.
i) There were no Philistine Cities along the coast to Canaan during this period, as the bible says. Not for another four hundred years. So why would Moses want to avoid cities that did not exist yet? And with an army of 600,000 thousand men, who did they fear? For the 1,200 men of the chariots of Pharaoh all drowned against them in the Sea of Reeds. Why would 600.000 armed men fear such a small army? Maybe be they had super natural weapons unknown to us today, and god had to intervene quickly to save the two million people?

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Establishing the Date of the alleged Exodus ???

1 Kings 6:1 enables us to establish this date. In the 480th year after the Israelites had come out of Egypt, in the 4th year of Solomon's reign , in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple.
That puts 480 years between the Exodus and Solomon's fourth year.
The spring of 966 B.C. is established as Solomon's 4th year. This date is determined by ten astronomically calculated dates that connect the reigns of Biblical kings to eight different Assyrian and Babylonian kings.
Ashurdan 763 B.C. 10th year of king Assyria
Mardokempados 721 B.C. 1st year of king Babylon
Nabopolassar 621 B.C. 5th year of king Babylon
Nebuchadnezzar 568 B.C. 37th year of king Babylon
Cambyeses 523 B.C. 7th year of king Persia
Darius 502 B.C. 20th year of king Persia
The other one wasn't listed.
v It also very astonishing that the biggest Iconic Prophets and the Bible all had few things in common, EGYPT was always Egypt.
a) Joseph_ lived in Egypt most of his life, educated, worked in the house of Potiphara an Egyptian Army general, and later at the royal court. Spoke fluent Egyptian and was buried like an Egyptian and married to the daughter of the high priest of Heliopolis who was also named Potiphara. May be all Egyptians were called Potiphara.
b) Moses; Was born, raised and educated in the Royal Court and in the district of On (Helipolis) in Egypt, and was a Prince at the Royal Court. He spoke only Egyptian. However we have no clue what language he actual spoke in the story of the bible, it seems that only God and Aaron knew.
c) Jesus_ was raised and lived and was educated in Egypt since the age of one till thirty years of age. Spoke fluent Egyptian, Greek and Latin, and lived under the protection of Sanctuary of the Temple of Thoth in Hermopolis, and was taught the hermetic teachings. Yet no mention in the bible of what happened after Mary escaped to Egypt with her baby and headed south till they were given the sanctuary in the temple of Tehuti in Hermopolis. They also visited the city of Memphis, but there was no mention of the city of Alexandria, which was the most civilized city in the world and a centre for all philosophical and spiritual schools.
d) Other Prophets usually ran into the arms of Egypt for protection or when they needed food or sanctuary.
e) They also voluntary sold themselves into slavery when situations were harsh? Deuteronomy 28:68 _ God will bring you back to Egypt... and you will offer yourselves for sale as slaves and bondswomen there, but there will be no buyer. It was very costly thing to have and keep a slave in those days. Same as having a maid or housekeeper in Europe today.
f) Solomon, who is no other than King Amenhotep III used everything found in Egypt to build his palaces, schools, administration and religious structures in Jerusalem, and he died just before the sack of Jerusalem by Pharaoh Shishak. The first time in biblical history a name of a King of Egypt was named?
The Name Sholomen (Solomon) is very unique, if translated into Egyptian it follow as thus:
Egyptian Canaanite Hebrew English
Hotep Shalom Shalom Peace
Amen (God) Amen Amen Amen
Thus King Amenhotep III was known as King Sholomen. It was during his time that Egypt was and imperial power and it was a very peaceful time as well. It was he who had more than 1000 wives in a Harem and the description of his palace is described in the bible.
other names found in the bible that are purely of Egyptian origins
Egyptian Hebrew English
Ah Mose Amos Amos
khaem Khaim
Si Amun Simon / shimon Simon
Maya Maya Maya
Mary / Merit / Mary Mary
Meryamen Miriam Merriam
Tahut / Thoth / djuat Dawoud / Dafeed David
Penhasy Penhasy / Phineas
Meryre Merari
Oserseph / Yu Zaph Yousef / Yossi Joseph
Ramose Ramose/ Ramirez
Atum Adam Adam
Kefa Eve Eve
Shoshen Shoshanna Susan
Seth / Seti Seth Seth / Satan
Amun Amon Amon
Maher Maher
Neith Asenath

Hrwn / Haron / herr Aaron Aron
Krest / Krast Christ
Meshesh Messiah
Se KaRe Zechariah Zakareyia
Aton Adon i
Herum Atif Hiram Abi(f)
Un-joab-endjed Joab
Maakhare Mu-Tamhat Maakhah Tamar
Ausar / Osiris Assir
Hur / Heru / Horus Hur
Roy Roy Roy
Roma Roma
Takha Tasha

Egypt was the country to be in, if you wanted to become learned and wise. It was the most civilized country of its time. We have also many other examples of very famous people who learned and were educated in the temples of Egypt. Such as Pythagoras, Aristotle, Democritus and mau others, who developed all the philosophical ideals. It all began in Egypt during the reign of king Amasis due to his open policy of diplomacy and mutual help to educate the foreign nationals at the famous Egyptian Universities, in return for military alliances. The world saw Egypt as the great civilisation of the world, and these universities at their time were the equivalent, of Oxford or Cambridge in England, or Harvard in the USA.
Centers of universities in Egypt
1- Heliopolis
2- Memphis
3- Thebes
4- Hermopolis

The Population at the time of the Exodus
In Question 95, I answer the so-called problem of the population of Israel at the Exodus that has given people so much trouble over the centuries. To keep my answer short for the question itself, I did not present some of the problems that scholars have had to face if one takes the men of the two censuses to be living men who accompanied Moses with the rest of the Israelites out of Egypt. We get into imponderable difficulties if we do so. The answer I give in Question 95 presents the most reasonable explanation of this matter. But let us look at some of the problems that Question 95 attempts to answer.
In the first place, when Israel left Egypt they had 603,550 armed men for war if all of those men were living at the time (Numbers 1:46). This number included all able bodied men from the age of twenty (Numbers 1:45) to the age of retirement at year fifty (Number 4:3;John 8:57) or sometimes sixty (Leviticus 27:7). But if all the women, children and older people over fifty (or sixty) are included, the number of Israelites who left Egypt must have numbered about 2.500.000. This is a vast amount of people going into a desolate desert area east of Egypt. Let us assume for a moment that all the men of the census were indeed living at the time and were not a part of the pedigree records that were mentioned by Moses which also included
(the dead and the living). Let us look at the difficulties if we reckon all the men as then living.
Moses took the Israelites along the regular roads of communication. They
went by "the way [highway] of the wilderness of the Red Sea" (Exodus 13:18);
"the way [highway] of Mount Seir unto Kadesh-barnea" (Deuteronomy 1:2); "and
the king's highway" (Numbers 21:22). These roads in the latter part of their
journey connected various settlements with water wells, springs and mountain
passes. They were usually constructed by governments for military and
commercial purposes. The ancient roads were similar to ones today in Middle Eastern routes but they had no asphalt coverings as today for high speed transport. They were normally graded roadbeds which wagons or caravans could use. Israel
used the well-travelled roads in their journeys from Egypt to Palestine. And
herein comes the first difficulty.
When the American west was being settled, wagon trains followed the various
trails. A typical wagon train could have had some 250 people in it and was a
quarter of a mile or so in length. Thus, if a wagon train were extended to a
mile in length, there could theoretically be nearly 1000 people in it
(though in practical terms there would no doubt be less). But Israel
supposedly numbered 2,500,000 people, if all the people of the
censuses were then living. But Moses promised the king of Edom that "we will
not pass through the fields, or vineyard. . .we will not turn to the right
hand nor to the left" (Numbers 20:17). In other words, Moses said that
Israel would stay directly on the narrow road through the country of Edom.
If one mile of road could hold about 1000 Israelites with wagons, etc.
(which is very reasonable), then the length of the Israelite march would be
at least 2,500 miles long. Such a length of people would stretch from Egypt
to the border of China. This, of course, is hardly possible. Even if the
wagons went ten abreast, the train would still be 250 miles long. If they
journeyed a hundred wagon abreast, such a massive wagon train of Israelites
would still be 25 miles long. As anyone can see, Israel would never have been able to stay on the roads with such a mass of people. Yet Moses told the King of Edom that Israel would never step off a single road through his territory.
A Further Difficulty
After traveling some six weeks into a desolate wilderness, the Israelites
came in contact with the Amalekite army (Exodus 17:8). Israel had in their
army no less than 600,000 men (that is, if the men were all living
men) --more than all the combined armed forces of Great Britain today. And
yet, the armies of Amalek were able to defeat Israel while the hands of
Moses remained unlifted (Exodus 17:11).
Israel finally prevailed and conquered the Amalekites. But herein lies a problem. For any army to defeat another in normal combat, the winning army usually has a superior force. Were there also some 600,000 Amalekite soldiers out in the middle of the Sinai desert as well? While Israel had the `miraculous water and food' to sustain them alive in such a desolate environment, did the heathen Amalekites also have the miraculous food and water supplies? How could such a vast heathen army provide for itself in such hostile conditions?
Of course, with the explanation that I have given in Question 95, this is not a problem of importance.
Another Dilemma
If all those 600,000 men were living men, then we have other difficulties.
Soon after the defeat of the Amalekite army, Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses, met him not far from Mt. Sinai (Exodus 18). Jethro was amazed that Moses had yet to establish a chain of command in judging Israel. He hastened him to initiate judicial leaders over the thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens (Exodus 18:21) so that Moses would not be worn out by trying to settle all the judicial affairs of 2.500,000 people. But this information
represents a major problem. Israel had already been on their journey some six weeks and they numbered about the size of the city of Los Angeles on the move (that is, as I have been pointing out, if the men were all living men). Would it not be impossible to muster such a prodigious quantity of people into some kind of orderly march without various chains of command already established? This is a major difficulty as anyone would admit who looks
closely at the matter.
Another Perplexity
After wondering forty years in the wilderness, Israel invaded the land of Canaan under the leadership of Joshua. Though all the first men of war died in the wilderness, a new generation of Israelite men numbering 601,730 were armed for war (Numbers 26). This means there were still about 2,500,000 people who crossed the River Jordan and were responsible for capturing the city of Jericho (again, if all the men were living men). But this does not square with the facts.
Look at this.
The ruins of Jericho (the city that Joshua conquered) are still to be seen today. There can be no doubt of the identification of the site. When I have taken people to Israel and shown the ruins of ancient Jericho, they express amazement at how small it is. It's an area of about ten acres. Professor Kenyon, who excavated the site from 1952 to 1956, says that the greatest population that Jericho could possibly have had was 3,000 souls. The area of
Jericho was a little under two square city blocks. If we allow that Jericho had a population of 3,000 people, then the Israelites would have outnumbered those Canaanite residents over 800 to one if all the men were living. Some
have wondered why God had to cause the walls to tumble down when Israel had
such an extraordinary advantage.
Let's put it another way. On New Year's Day in Pasadena, California there is the annual Rose Bowl football game. About 106,000 people can sit in the stadium bleachers. Suppose the ancient city of Jericho were placed in the centre of the Rose Bowl stadium, one would have to have 24 times the New Year's spectators to equal the amount of Israelites who conquered little Jericho. No miracle would have been necessary to subdue Jericho.
The former Prime Minister of modern Israel, David Ben-Gurion, saw the problem of having so many men as recorded in the censuses. He thought his ancient forefathers of the Exodus did not number 600,000 armed men for the war, but only 600. If that were so, the logistical problems associated with the above examples could be better dealt with.
However, with only 600 Israelite soldiers leaving Egypt (or some 2,500 people when the women, children, and older people are included), the Egyptian Pharaoh could hardly
have said "Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we" (Exodus 1:9). BenGurion's suggestion would also be counter to Bible information which says Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, told Moses to divide up judicial responsibility among the Israelites into thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens (Exodus 18:21). The thousands that Jethro had reference to certainly represent more than 600.
And there are further problems. Some scholars have shown that since Jethro did not suggest that Moses place rulers over "a hundred thousand," over "fifty thousand," or even over "ten thousand," Jethro may have been aware that Moses' army of men were less than 10,000. This is because Jethro's suggestion started out only with thousands (and then
downward). However, we are told that 40,000 (not 600,000) did in fact cross
the Jordan River (Joshua 4:13).
Ancient Egypt and Judaism
Sunday May 16, 2010
What is the relationship between Egyptian religion and ancient Judaism?
There was a time when the links were being explored by scholars, with many
thinking that Egypt was at one point a strong influence on the Hebrews.
Today the connections seem to be dismissed or ignored, but that really needs
to change. It's implausible that the large, powerful kingdoms of Egypt would
have had no influence on a smaller trading partner and buffer against great
powers in the east.

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Pipkin says:
Ahram reports:
Borrowing by one culture from another is a natural part of intellectual growth, and the fact that the process works both ways only serves to emphasise its fundamental truth. Egyptian words and metaphors translated into Hebrew can be paralleled by influences operating in reverse -- Hebrew words and names which have passed into the Ancient Egyptian language.
However, by far the largest and most persuasive mass of evidence clearly indicates the primacy of the longer and more enduring civilisation of Egypt.
There were contacts between Egypt and the Syria-Palestine region as early as the Middle Kingdom, around 2000 BC, when Egypt exercised economic, if not political, domination over the Levant. It is in this period that the migration of the Hebrew patriarchs to and from Egypt belong (Gen. 12:10ff). Contacts increased during the New Kingdom, especially following the conquests of Thutmose III, the creator of a vast Egyptian empire. Thutmose
went to war regularly every summer and returned to Egypt around the end of September. The "Annals of Thutmose III" which are inscribed on the outer wall of the sanctuary at Karnak give details of the cities and tribes subdued in the course of his military campaigns.
Contacts between Egypt and the Hebrew people increased during the so-called Period of Decline that followed the New Kingdom. David, a member of the Edomite royal house, fled to Egypt and was given political asylum by an unnamed Pharaoh (1 Kings 11: 14-22). Solomon married an Egyptian princess (1 Kings 3:1) and the palace he constructed for her was of Egyptian design;
He also patterned his scribal schools on those of Egypt. No wonder that such a large number of Egyptian words, phrases and intellectual ideas should be preserved in the Old Testament, along with a large number of idiomatic expressions, and two Egyptian units of measure.
We can trace the influence of Babylonian beliefs in Judaism, like the introduction of angles after the Babylonian Captivity. So what about Egypt?
For example, might the development of Jewish monotheism been helped along by the early, though short, attempt to introduce monotheism in Egypt?
Unfortunately, the farther back we go the sparser the records are and therefore the harder it is to chart the course of any beliefs within a culture, never mind how outside cultures might have exerted an influence.
Yet, can there be any doubt that it was Pharaoh Akhenaten's Hymn to the
Aten, written in the 14th century BC, that inspired Psalms 104:24 in the Old
Testament?
"How manifold are all thy works! They are hidden from before us, O thou sole god, whose powers no other possesseth. Though didst create the earth according to thy desire [...] all cattle large and small; all that are upon the earth" (Akhenaten's hymn)
"O Lord, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom has thou made them all; The
earth is full of thy creatures" (Psalm 104)
Breasted pointed out the marked similarity in thought and sequence between these two passages. He observed that the Egyptian Pharaoh "grasped the idea of a world-dominator, as the creator of nature''The King saw the creator's purpose for all his creatures, even the meanest... He based the universal sway of God upon his fatherly care of all men alike, irrespective of race or nationality, and to the proud and exclusive Egyptian he pointed to an all-embracing bounty of the common Father of Humanity, even placing Syria and Nubia before Egypt in his enumeration."
Other similar examples abound. "Yahweh [Jehovah] weigheth the hearts," it is written in Proverbs 21:2. The only previous instance of a god who makes a practice of weighing up human hearts is in Egyptian mortuary literature, where this method of judgement is exercised at the court of Osiris in the underworld.
We could also cite the biblical description of men being fashioned out of clay by Yahweh: "The potter of the same clay he maketh both the vessels that serve for clean uses, and likewise also all such as serve to the contrary" (Book of Wisdom, 15:7). This image is essentially identical with the Ancient Egyptian image of men being fashioned on a potter's wheel out of the clay of the river Nile by the ram-headed god Khnum, one of the great gods of Egypt. In this connection, it is worthy of note that a Jewish temple was built on
Elephantine Island in the 6th century BC, immediately behind the great
Temple of Khnum: indeed, archaeologists have shown that the two places of
worship were at different strata.
Chapter Six of the Book of Proverbs deals with the issue of justice. The commandment. "Do not move the boundary-stone nor shift the surveyor's rope, do not tamper with the widow's land-bounds", clearly reflects precepts to be found in Egyptian "instruction literature"
As do passages in Chapter 11 on coveting: "Covet not the poor farmer's property nor hunger after his bread: the peasant's morsel will gag in the throat and revolt in the gullet".
Such striking similarities between the Instruction Literature of an Egyptian sage called Amenemope and the Book of Proverbs cannot easily be dismissed. In Proverbs Chapter 13 on morals and neighbourly love, we read: "It is better to be praised for neighbourly love than have riches in the storeroom; better to enjoy your bread with a good conscience than to have wealth weighed down by reproaches." This does little more than repeat almost word for word a verse in Amenemope's Instruction Literature, as does Chapter 27 on consideration towards the afflicted: "Mock not the blind nor deride the dwarf, nor block a cripple's path".The question is not "did Egypt influence the Hebrews over the course of centuries and millennia," because of course such influences must have existed. Egypt was one of the most powerful cultures in the region and exercised widespread influence. The real question would seem to be just how extensive the influence was and how much of what is currently regarded as "Jewish" may have roots actually in ancient Egypt.

No more today...... I'm tired.

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One last thing because I really am tired and exhausted with this subject today..
I do not dispute the History in the OT. What I dispute is all the garbage/fairy stories added, and I only believe about a quarter of the NT.
The people lived, of that I have no doubt, but not in the order, or the exact manner detailed in the Bible; but as suggested by the Historians I quote.

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So DumBo.
What is extremist about Ziad Nour? The truth is scary isn't it?
Egyptology... History of Egypt?

Ziad Nour, Born in Rome on the 2nd of May 1964, grew up in Cairo and later Alexandria in Egypt. Alexandria was the culture capital of the Hellenized world where the greatest scientists, philosophers, astrologers, artists and mathematicians came together to share their knowledge with each other and enlighten the world.
Egypt's history dates back to more than seven thousand years, where it remains to fascinate people from all over the world. Egyptology and Art were the main focus of Ziad since his childhood, he was drawn into it and follows the Kemetic Ways of the Ancient True Knowledge as decreed by the Lord Thoth, Lord of Wisdom & Knowledge.
Ziad set out as a child to relearn the truth about our worldly heritage and share this truth with the rest of humanity.

Introduction
In the honour of those great Men and Women of Ancient Egypt and the world, Pharaohs, Philosophers, Sages, Scientists, Divine Priests and Healers that have built us the foundation of our true Civilization, which was only temporary destroyed and their legacy stolen by the Romans, and other dominant Religious institutions for their own selfish use of domination and total control. It was started by the Romans and later under the Holy Roman Church who have committed the greatest acts of Genocide, Murder, Torture, Sexual abuse, Rape, Theft, Crimes against humanity, and the Greatest Conspiracy of deceit, Historical forgery and Deception in the history of our Earth and Humanity. This holy Christian Church/THE ANTICHRIST, and its inquisitions, has burned, killed, and tortured millions of innocent people, and called them pagans, heretics, or concert of Satan. The world had enough of terror and murder of human lives, for the sake of Fake Religions, due to the inscriptions in these books, that shows that the first Genocide and war crimes were committed by these RELIGIONS in the name of their FAKE GOD . these biblical books are full of crimes that demand its followers to commit these horrific acts, yet it is the same followers that always complain about terrorism and the stopping of murder.
We are Born into modern world that is ruled by a dogmatic system which controls the lives and the death of millions of humans till today, hiding behind a veil of religious control and dogmas of millennia of lies, misconception and deceit which have forced their way as an accepted belief systems. Faith was then replaced by belief, and believes were dictated to us by fear of a very angry and vengeful god and his servants, described in the Gnostic systems as the true Evil Dark Force that rule the Earth, just to control and enslave the masses, and keep ignorance ruling the world, and the terrorizing of Men, Women and children, all in the name of this dogmatic system, for it is their only way to survive their temporary escape from Universal Judgment, but not for long, for the Energy of Balance, Order ,and Justice will Rejoice over the decaying Chaos, Darkness and Evil.
Today we discover a different truth, thanks to science, archaeology, and education, the secrets that were hidden beneath the grounds for almost thousands of years, has began to reveal the truth, and people are being Educated and able to read the Dogmatic Religious books for themselves and began to question them.
We shall continues our quest to bring the truth about ancient Egypt and the Spiritual Wisdom and Philosophy that we need for our Earthly life and our return to the One...............

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Henry James says:
Jordan - Are you serious? Do you *know* anything about how science progresses? Apparently not.

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Nicholas C. -"Halos exist, are real, unctions from 'Whatever God is' to the saved recipient ... "

And I thought they were luminous plasma or Kirlian auras revealing electro-magnetic fields, real scientific phenomena!
You disappoint me!
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