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Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 11:49:27 GMT
gille liath says:
2nd Sunday of Lent

The kingdom of God does not come visibly, nor will people say 'Here it is' or 'There it is', because the kingdom of God is within you.
Lk 17:20-21

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2010, 12:44:24 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Feb 2010, 12:45:26 GMT
Ryan Williams
This piece of poetry is very relevant today. I am not suprised at all that you have chosen it. It is clearly talking about the systematic destruction of Christianity.
'When churches will fall completely out of use'. Yes, this is definately happening, and God's word is being taken out of the way. This will enable the 'anti-christ' to begin his reign. The details of that and how it will be accomplished is well documented in the 'protocols of zion'.
As you seem to be happy about the destruction of Christianity then no wonder you have such a fierce hatred of that book. It certainly exposed the plan for the arrival of the anti-christ.
Now everything falls into place in your behaviour.
Oh yes, Christianity is systematically destroyed, but this was all foretold in the Bible. Then the end will come, but only for those who have chosen darkness over light.
Our champion Jesus Christ will come and put an end to darkness forever.
Light will prevail over dark and God's kingdom will be everlasting. Those who oppose Jesus Christ will be left to the destruction that they have created.
This has all been foretold from days of old.
Amen

Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 13:39:00 GMT
gille liath says:
I have been, and I have returned.
I have mounted up on the wings of the morning, and I have dredged down to the zenith's reversal.
Which is my way, being man.
Gods may stay in mid-heaven, the Son of Man has climbed to the whitsun zenith,
But I, Mathew, being man
Am a traveller back and forth.

So be it.

DH Lawrence - St Mathew

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2010, 18:10:24 GMT
Selbbin S says:
Dear Hidden,

"When churches will fall completely out of use'. Yes, this is definately happening"

Have no fear HJ, it is *not* happening. I sat in church this morning, watching people coming in, greeting each other and just enjoying being together, with all the joy of children and I thought how different this was to the sort of things one reads on the threads: this was love in action. If this is all an illusion, then I think I will settle for the illusion over reality any day!!!!!!!

"There are three things that remain- faith, hope and love - and the greatest of these is love"
i Cor 13 v13

Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 19:06:25 GMT
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Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 19:29:14 GMT
gille liath says:
In this imperfect life, when all's said and done, peace doesn't mean having no enemies; it means being ready to put up with suffering.
- a Kempis

Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 19:34:55 GMT
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Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 22:29:48 GMT
Black Mask says:
The systematic destruction of Christianity...

Sounds like a start.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2010, 23:28:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Feb 2010, 23:32:56 GMT
G.Aves
I am happy that you had a nice time in your church this morning.
When I was back in Scotland last year I was in Edinburgh and went to see some old buildings. One particular Cathedral on the royal mile was beautiful on the outside so I was enthusiastic to see the inside. It had been converted on the inside to offices and and there was a coffee bar too. There was no trace of what it had been like originally. I was so dissapointed.
Then I went to Braemar. Here I found a church converted into holiday flats.
In other places in Scotland I found many churches derelict. It was very sad. Even on the T.V. I saw a church converted into a discoteque. Other old churches were even exported to Japan. It was that or getting demolished!
In my ex local church the people are fewer and fewer (church of Scotland) and the minister one Sunday morning praised the people who had taken part in a local 'orange walk' inciting the Catholics by banging the drum louder while passing their Chapel, it was disgusting. The minister was inciting hate betweeen the two 'religions'.
He then made jokes about them getting drunk.
That's when I decided that I wouldn't be back, and I haven't been.
I'm sure your morning wasn't an illusion and I am happy that you are happy. If you felt love in the atmosphere this morning then of course it is a great thing.
I agree that Love is the greatest of all.
But I certainly have seen the moral and physical destruction of Christianity and the number of church goers is definitely falling.
Friends of mine have told me about the elder who was stealing from the funds. Another elder who swears 'like a trooper' and a minister who has a lover (naturally she is married). Other priests and nuns have molested children. The list just goes on and on.
No I've had it with organised religion! You must do what you consider to be right and I respect your decision.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2010, 23:42:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Feb 2010, 23:44:13 GMT
Starry heavens
If these qualities 'are evidently here in us all' then please demonstrate with your words that the quality of 'love' is evidently in you. I haven't seen/read any manifestations of 'love' in your posts.
I would be happy to see something loving and caring from you for a change. Please surprise me.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Feb 2010, 23:49:02 GMT
More nastiness from 'the black mask'.

Posted on 28 Feb 2010, 23:59:47 GMT
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Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 00:05:10 GMT
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Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 10:16:52 GMT
gille liath says:
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

Where are your gibes now?...Now get you to my lady's chamber and tell her, let her paint an inch thick, to this favour she must come; make her laugh at that.

- both Hamlet

Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 13:07:32 GMT
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Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 19:21:25 GMT
gille liath says:
To convert stout into water, I said, there is a simple process. Even a child can do it, though I would not stand for giving stout to children. Is it not a pity that the art of man has not attained the secret of converting water into stout?
- Flann O'Brien, At Swim-Two-Birds

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Last edited by the author on 1 Mar 2010, 20:11:34 GMT
"It is clearly talking about the systematic destruction of Christianity. "

Always with the drama. The poem is about the erosion of religious belief, inevitable as the passing of time, and what that means to ordinary people.

"As you seem to be happy about the destruction of Christianity then no wonder you have such a fierce hatred of that book"

Drama, again. Other posters don't need reminding that I have a fondness for the King James Bible, or, specifically, its prose. There's little point in hating Christianity. Eventually it will erode away, as prosaic and undramatic as drizzle. Talking of 'destruction', the 'anti-christ' etc. and other cinematic silliness is just an attempt to inject drama into something inherently undramatic.

Perhaps it might be useful to further Hidden Jewels' education by quoting the poem in full:

Church Going

Once I am sure there's nothing going on
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another church: matting, seats, and stone,
And little books; sprawlings of flowers, cut
For Sunday, brownish now; some brass and stuff
Up at the holy end; the small neat organ;
And a tense, musty, unignorable silence,
Brewed God knows how long. Hatless, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.

Move forward, run my hand around the font.
From where I stand, the roof looks almost new -
Cleaned, or restored? Someone would know: I don't.
Mounting the lectern, I peruse a few
Hectoring large-scale verses, and pronounce
'Here endeth' much more loudly than I'd meant.
The echoes snigger briefly. Back at the door
I sign the book, donate an Irish sixpence,
Reflect the place was not worth stopping for.

Yet stop I did: in fact I often do,
And always end much at a loss like this,
Wondering what to look for; wondering, too,
When churches will fall completely out of use
What we shall turn them into, if we shall keep
A few cathedrals chronically on show,
Their parchment, plate and pyx in locked cases,
And let the rest rent-free to rain and sheep.
Shall we avoid them as unlucky places?

Or, after dark, will dubious women come
To make their children touch a particular stone;
Pick simples for a cancer; or on some
Advised night see walking a dead one?
Power of some sort will go on
In games, in riddles, seemingly at random;
But superstition, like belief, must die,
And what remains when disbelief has gone?
Grass, weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky,

A shape less recognisable each week,
A purpose more obscure. I wonder who
Will be the last, the very last, to seek
This place for what it was; one of the crew
That tap and jot and know what rood-lofts were?
Some ruin-bibber, randy for antique,
Or Christmas-addict, counting on a whiff
Of gown-and-bands and organ-pipes and myrrh?
Or will he be my representative,

Bored, uninformed, knowing the ghostly silt
Dispersed, yet tending to this cross of ground
Through suburb scrub because it held unspilt
So long and equably what since is found
Only in separation - marriage, and birth,
And death, and thoughts of these - for which was built
This special shell? For, though I've no idea
What this accoutred frowsty barn is worth,
It pleases me to stand in silence here;

A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognized, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.

- Philip Larkin

"Now everything falls into place in your behaviour."

Yep -I'm a burly, rugby-playing, roast-beef eating straight man who reads poetry. Sue me.

Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 20:26:01 GMT
Last edited by the author on 1 Mar 2010, 20:30:19 GMT
Withnail says:
"I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper and the old men and old women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer." Brendan Behan

"The Bible was a consolation to a fellow alone in the old cell. The lovely thin paper with a bit of matress stuffing in it, if you could get a match, was as good a smoke as I ever tasted." Brendan Behan

Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 21:03:05 GMT
gille liath says:
Food fill the wame an' keeps us livin'
Tho' life's a gift no worth receivin'
When heavy-dragged wi' pine an' grievin';
But, oiled by thee,
The wheels o' life gae downhill scrievin',
Wi' rattlin' glee.

Burns, Scotch Drink

Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 21:19:03 GMT
gille liath says:
'Things always look different from higher up.'
- The Man With No Name, Fistful of Dollars
(Yes, I am in front of it.)

Posted on 1 Mar 2010, 22:28:10 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Mar 2010, 22:31:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 1 Mar 2010, 22:32:20 GMT
Neutral says:
RW wrote about Philip Larkin the agnostic poet who declared himself to be an atheist, "an Anglican atheist of course". There is something ironic, therefore, that his lover left £1 million of the poet's estate which she inherited to two churches. See - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jan/12/books.booksnews

The Times in 2008 rated him as the top British writer of the twentieth century but having never been interested in twentieth century poetry I would have voted for the social realism of George Orwell who came second. At least he made a difference, Larkin merely made a noise.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Mar 2010, 12:31:58 GMT
Ryan,

"There's little point in hating Christianity. Eventually it will erode away, as prosaic and undramatic as drizzle."

Strangely enough the Jews thought the same thing in the first century and Voltaire in the 18th century. Both have been proved wrong, so what makes you think this will eventually happen?

Wayne

Posted on 2 Mar 2010, 12:39:12 GMT
gille liath says:
Toil and grow rich,
What's that but to lie
With a foul witch
And after, drained dry,
To be brought
To the chamber where
Lies one long sought
With despair?
- Yeats, The Witch
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