Shop now Shop now Shop now See more Shop all Amazon Fashion Cloud Drive Photos Shop now Learn More Shop now DIYED Shop now Shop Fire Shop Kindle Shop now Shop now Shop now
Customer Discussions > religion discussion forum

A question to unbelievers:


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 76-100 of 231 posts in this discussion
In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 23:36:46 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Feb 2013 23:50:15 GMT
So sin is genetic? Koran says Prophet Adam pbuh ate of the tree, but afterward repented and was forgiven. God is merciful. Bible says, in Ezekiel 18, the sons shall not suffer for the sins of the fathers, etc.

I don't see at what point, the worship of Jesus pbuh came to be put forward as the thing to so-called remedy your so-called 'genetic sin' (contradictions in Ezekiel). how does this happen? No. If a man turn away and repent and do right religious deeds he shall live, the Koran and even the bible says. It is not genetics. and does not requirings some supernatural gnosis. it's plain and logicals. Islam. straight down the line

And then let me ask you: with all due respect, let's assume once you christianities are remedied by this "calling of Jesus into your heart" (he never said "worship me") - then, after that, can a soul ever be unrighteous or sinnings again? So what happened? Illogical.

It is a contradiction to say you are possible for you to be unrighteous ever again after what you proclaim, since you say you have been cured - of a "genetic sin" (which you never had BTW: the bible says so). So how is it a man who believes in original sin, can still call any other immoral? It makes no sensings. it double-minded

So now in history we have gone beyond Jesus, pbuh. and Muhammad pbuh has been sent as final Messenger to seal off all of the Prophets. In the same line. Same message as Jesus pbuh and the prior Prophets. No error. no contradiction. No logical reason to negate Islam via christianities. No evidentials.

So you theology very many contradictions. Sin is not genetic and righteousness and good deeds is the only meter-yard. Each soul accounts for itself and not for any inherited so-call sin. Adam repented and was forgiven. No geneticals.

It basically Islam, and a man is not superior to another by genetics, if not by righteousness and true guidance. I believe in Jesus pbuh. According to your theology anyway I'm already made right. So why are you not Muslim? Have you made the created as partners with the One True God, and are worship the created and not to God?.... Jesus pbuh never said worship him nor idols. Too many contradiction in your doctrine. No contradiction in Islam.

peace

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Feb 2013 20:50:37 GMT
Littleriver says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Feb 2013 21:37:57 GMT
Littleriver says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Feb 2013 22:45:15 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Feb 2013 22:57:37 GMT
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 10:14:37 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 22:20:08 GMT
Littleriver says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 10:38:21 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 13:16:13 GMT
so the question is did prophet Adam pbuh afterward repent and do good deeds - and was he forgiven? Islam say he did and he was. No need for to worshipping of Jesus pbuh. only for to worship of One True God. Same message all Prophets brought including Jesus pbuh.

Jesus pbuh is Prophet of Islam, and Muhammad pbuh final Messenger same God. Logical. No need for to negating of Islam. you make contradiction against yourself by saying not to worship One True God through right religion; but to worshippings of so-called "equal partners". This remindings of bible story of Adam.

You double-mind. championing of people corruptors fighting against truth and righteousness and true deen.

Islam say pharaoh magician afterward repent and become Muslim inshallah.

Posted on 17 Feb 2013 20:52:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 17 Feb 2013 21:24:06 GMT
Littleriver says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

Posted on 17 Feb 2013 20:58:02 GMT
"Bear with me on this as it is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT to the pursuit of truth."

Only it isn't; and often runs directly contrary to the ongoing pursuit of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2013 21:46:42 GMT
Littleriver says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 07:16:34 GMT
Chloe-lu says:
My Personal opinion:
Because if you believe someone higher than you is watching over you it gives you guidance in your day to day life as to what is right and wrong and if you do not obide by this you 'will be punished'. I can't say that I am right and I can't say religion is wrong - if it is followed safely then it is ok because it doesn't affect anyone else i.e praying in the morning and or at night rather than 5 times a day where it is going to interfere with your 'life' and teach you to disrespect women and life. Science proves it is incorrect. Psychology proves it gives guidance and helps people come to terms with dying. Take your pick but do not try to force your religion on others with the belief that if you do you will be rewarded in your 'afterlife' this doesn't mean anything to a person who simply wants to enjoy life and find out what happens after when it comes to it.

Posted on 18 Feb 2013 09:00:54 GMT
Bellatori says:
Chloe-lu says: "the belief that if you do you will be rewarded in your 'afterlife' "

Of all the beliefs in a religion this is the most pernicious and dangerous because, viewed in the right (wrong!) way it allows the 'believer' to commit any act in this life on the basis that there will be rewards later on. Reincarnation has a similar problem.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 10:37:12 GMT
Spin says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 10:40:37 GMT
G. Heron says:
Spin

"This doctrine is radically opposed to the christian ideal of Heaven and Hell,"

Indeed, could theists please get together and work out which is correct and then get back to us atheists?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 10:58:11 GMT
Bellatori says:
What about Japanese buddhism and sepuku? Commit suicide to expiate your disgrace and be reborn in 30 days...

The fact that at some time you will be reborn is itself the slippery slope to - oh what the hell... better luck next time...

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 11:03:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Feb 2013 11:05:57 GMT
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 11:56:15 GMT
Spin says:
Bellatori; the japanese concept does not contradict the doctrine of reincarnation. The decision to end ones life is moral decision, nothing to do with reincarnation itself. The suicides reincarnation would have nothing to do with his decision to kill himself ( In some societies suicide is not considered to be morally wrong. This is because there is no concept of "sin" in buddhism, only what is right and wrong. Thus it is that some monks engage in self-ommolation in protest at events in thier country). And as for the accusation that a belief in reincarnation within 30 days would lead to eveyone killing themselves in order to "try again", this is mistaken. The person commits suicide because he has done wrong. Therefore he will be reincarnated as a lower form of life. As a punishement he will not have to await this consequence of his wrong deeds. The priciple is: if ones life ends before its time, then one will, obviously, be reincanated before ones time. (reincarnation is not process governed by a consciousness, it is a "natural" process. If you start running before the starters pistol, you will reach te finish line before everyone else). To be sure "30 days" seems unnecessarily speculative but intended to portray a moral belief that ones actions have immediate effect even by the wayu, one is not "reborn" for this term implies that is oneself comiong back to life; it is not oneself. One is dead, gone, lost forever upon ones death. It is ones "life" (in the sense of that which makes one alive, that which one shares with all iving organisms, Being, that is reincarnated. But, in terms of evolitionary theory, that which was a benefit to ones Being, is (and not necessarily to ones life) ios "passed on" to ones next incarnation. The better one lives, the more benefit to ones Being and the more such benefits influence ones next incarnation. When the maximum amount of benefits are aquired over aeons of reincarnation, one is finally incarnated as a buddha and one is no longer susceptble to reincarnation (there is nothing to incarnate into and a buddha cannot do anything in his life to cause his reincarnation into a lower form) Thus only buddhas truly die, having shared the wisdom of their Being with others so that they too may benefit. In conclusion, it is clear that the meaning of "life" is to acquire knowledge and share it with others, which every living organism on the planet does.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 11:57:27 GMT
Spin says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

Posted on 18 Feb 2013 12:00:19 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Buddhism is a religion even if it is not a theistic one, Spin.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 12:15:43 GMT
Bellatori says:
Spin..."The suicides reincarnation would have nothing to do with his decision to kill himself "

What you write may be entirely true philosophically but if you write the sentence the other way around you will understand my point. The decision to kill himself IS a result of his belief in reincarnation. Also sepuku is supposed to a an expiation of faults in life so the Japanese DID believe that it enabled them to move onward and upward. The belief may be wrong and they will be reincarnated as maggots but it is the belief and not the actuality that is the issue here.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 12:39:41 GMT
G. Heron says:
Spin

Any atheist worth the name would require evidence before accepting the idea of reincarnation.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 12:48:48 GMT
Drew Jones says:
A sceptic would, an atheist should but wouldn't have to.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 13:09:41 GMT
G. Heron says:
Drew Jones

"A sceptic would, an atheist should but wouldn't have to. "

Yes you are correct however I wonder what answer an atheist would get if he asked what mechanism determines the next life a person is incarnated into?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 13:36:40 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Someone could ask Spin. Not me, but someone else can if they want.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 15:38:55 GMT
Littleriver says:
Hi Spin: you wrote "one may not be immediately reincarnated. It may take aeons. And when one does return..." your post was interesting, it made me wonder though, how does this work? what or who decides how you will be reincarnated?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Feb 2013 15:47:56 GMT
Littleriver says:
glorify the LORD: I am really surprised and deeply regret that you found that post confusing etc., I thought it was a clear and very straight-forward explanation of the issue we were discussing. However, remember, confusion is not of The Lord, so if you found my response unfathomable, perhaps you need to pray so you can read it with clarity and comprehension. Shalom.
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


Recent discussions in the religion discussion forum

  Discussion Replies Latest Post
Announcement
Important Announcement from Amazon
162 17 days ago
Friendly discussion between atheist and theists. 3 12 minutes ago
How believers and atheists behave 14 16 minutes ago
Aliens Created Humans? 5450 21 minutes ago
Does global warming finally prove that God does not exist. 14 2 hours ago
Irish Seminarians turn to Grindr - Shock, Horror! 1 6 hours ago
What was God thinking of, I've seen paintings and statues of Mary, she was no looker and a bit tubby. He had the choice of any one, I don't think he asked for consent, he was like a refugee in Koln, and he picks plain old girl next door Mary. 0 8 hours ago
Blasphemy vs freedom of speech. 1106 10 hours ago
Do different planets have their own gods or does our god rule the universe. 8 10 hours ago
The Power of Prayer. 2368 10 hours ago
The Atheist Experience 58 10 hours ago
20 Arguments for the existence of a deity 193 11 hours ago

More Customer Discussions

Most active community forums
Most active product forums

Amazon forums
 

This discussion

Discussion in:  religion discussion forum
Participants:  28
Total posts:  231
Initial post:  12 Feb 2013
Latest post:  25 Feb 2013

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.

Search Customer Discussions