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"There's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion" Dennet on Religion


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In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 18:08:13 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Fine when they stop butting into our lives. Until then- shout loud and clear.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 18:17:30 BDT
##### says:
If you'd listened carefully with your head out the front door you'd have just about heard the faint thud of his toys as they hit the floor some way away from his pram.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 18:19:01 BDT
##### says:
There's more valid need to tell someone they're delusional than there is to spread the delusion, usually to defenseless children.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 21:44:21 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Graspee says:

Even if there's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion there's also no NEED to tell people. Mind your own freakin' business.'

Hmmm,; now you just might be getting somewhere.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:39:10 BDT
##### says:
I take it theists will stop proselytising, and I don't just mean children I mean at all ever, now I may just be getting somewhere. No more rubbish about denying women the right to determine what they do with their bodies, no more discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation, no more interfering with stem cell research etc etc etc......physician heal thyself.....

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:47:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 May 2013 22:49:35 BDT
Henry James says:
Graspee tells me to "Mind your own freakin' business"

I live in the US, where states won't allow the teaching of evolution because of their religious delusions, and birth control laws are proposed today by fundamentalists etc etc etc (don't get me started - I have a daughter)

If that ain;t my business, what is??????

They're idiots, and they are running my country!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:51:58 BDT
DB says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:53:58 BDT
Henry James says:
DB
oh come on!!!
Where did OB say Christians ain't allowed to express their views.

They just can't (and shouldn't) be able to do it without vigorous opposition. (Same for atheists, of course)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:56:35 BDT
DB says:
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Posted on 22 May 2013 22:57:47 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 May 2013 22:58:34 BDT
He didn't. DB is fiddling the facts, yet again.

Everyone has the right to freedom of speech, but there is no such thing as a right to be taken seriously. Theists are prone to forget this distinction when they fail to govern their tempers.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:59:08 BDT
Henry James says:
There can be, for instance, "passive opposition," where people disagree but don't say anything publicly.
Vigorous means that it is energetically and widely stated (with "vigor," - energy)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 22:59:25 BDT
##### says:
"OB
Is for freedom of speech for all groups - unless they happen to be Christian and have christian views."

That a lie, take it back and apologise please.

"The Christian must not express his/her views 'in public' in case anyone hears it and agrees."

Another lie, you must be rattled to make such duplicitous claims, or are too stupid to realise I was directly responding to a Theist who was suggesting Atheists keep quiet about their Atheism.

"If all these things you list are beyond reproach, why can't they stand against the expression of an opposing view."

Not only can they, but these pages are full of them destroying theist "logic" again and again.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 23:00:44 BDT
##### says:
You get chippy and start making up lies about me, apparently that's the difference.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 23:09:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 May 2013 23:11:52 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'O. Binladen says:

I take it theists will stop proselytising, and I don't just mean children I mean at all ever, now I may just be getting somewhere. No more rubbish about denying women the right to determine what they do with their bodies, no more discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation, no more interfering with stem cell research etc etc etc......physician heal thyself.....'

OK mate, calm down! You'll blow a gasket! Seriously, you could be right about that, I don't involve myself in anything like that, for the most part I just try to treat others as I would have them treat me. Where I come from being respectful to others makes perfect sense because you can say the wrong thing and end up missing a few teeth for your troubles or worse. I am no 'holy Joe' just an ordinary bloke who happens to be a Christian. If we all minded our own business more, period, there'd be less heartache and trouble in the world. Agreed?

Well, the debate must rage on without me! Goodnight and sleep tight etc!

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 23:17:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 May 2013 23:17:48 BDT
Henry James says:
TSC offers the idealistic "If we all minded our own business more, period, there'd be less heartache and trouble in the world. Agreed?"

Well, my love, no, not exactly agreed. All of our businesses are inextricably bound up with every other person's businesses, whether we like it or not.

What I do affects you, and vice versa. So we both need to scream when we step on each other's toes.
love
HENRY

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 23:39:20 BDT
##### says:
Why the assumption I'm not calm? I've noticed theists resort to this mendacity when a wall of evidence appears in front of them. Well then you need to read some of DB's posts, not just from tonight, as you've involved youself in a debate that started with her, and that's not someone you really want to ally yourself with, trust me. I'm not so sure, it behooves us all to speak out when we think something is wrong. A lot of theism is repulsive to me, again I'm not making any judgment about individual theists, as they can't seem to agree. Goodnight and thank you for sharing your views.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 01:12:50 BDT
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Posted on 23 May 2013 02:52:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 08:30:28 BDT
Dan Fante says:
It's a forum for discussing religion. People are under no compulsion to post here. Likewise, you don't get to decide what can and cannot be talked about.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 08:39:19 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 08:46:49 BDT
jfk says:
Why is it so important to you to tell them what you think is right?
You might not be.
There's no way you can prove your point, the same as they cannot prove theirs.
I believe there is no end to the outer journey in the universe and therefor there is no end also to going inward.
Thus every atom is probably another whole universe.
Can you prove me wrong?
Nothing really matters, does it?
That's a question, not a statement
jfk

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 10:01:33 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Yes it does. A lot matters.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 10:10:32 BDT
##### says:
I never suggested otherwise, you really need to learn to read what's written, and the context it's written in.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 10:11:56 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 May 2013 10:12:08 BDT
##### says:
Abortion, gay rights, stem cell research, the subjugation of women by Islam etc etc etc. Do try and think before you post.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 15:37:35 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Henry James says:

What I do affects you, and vice versa. So we both need to scream when we step on each other's toes.
love
HENRY'

Perhaps you're right Old Sport, but what I meant was that we should be concerned first and foremost with our own business and not worry so much what other people believe or don't believe. I was talking really about personal beliefs of all kinds.
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