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The revelation of God is the abolition of religion

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Initial post: 6 May 2012, 18:46:56 BST
Nick Ashton says:
God showed what he wanted at the beginning, he walked with man, revealing himself sharing his Life, without religion.

What then, is religion?
... respect for what is deemed "sacred" / "divine" / from God(s), whether it be religious observance or actual deities.

Latin: religare "to bind fast" , via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," (opposite of negligens) ... an attempt to please higher being through one's own behaviour, confidence depends on this.

Therefore religion...

is unbelief in a God that redeems man

is the attempted replacement of the divine work by a human manufacture

is a feeble but defiant, an arrogant but hopeless, attempt to create something which man could do.

In religion man bolts and bars himself against revelation by providing a substitute, by taking away in advance the very thing which has to be given by God. It is never the truth.

The central fact of the revelation of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Jesus Christ, is that God descends to humankind. Never in any way, under any circumstances can we ascend to God, howsoever slightly.

There is no path leading from a little bit of religion (of whatever kind) to a little more and finally to faith. Faith shatters all religion...

Religion is from man, revelation is from God.

Revelation is given to people who believe in a God that wants to help them more than they or any man can do, and who are humble enough to rely on his intervention. Religion is the concern of people without these qualities.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012, 19:28:08 BST
Spin says:
NJ: There are times when I want help than no man give but God does not reply...Religion is the concern of people who think their own efforts in life are not their own... theists rest their lives and thoughts on something they know they have not experienced, but simply believe they have. Why did God create Man ? To be subservient to him? Why bother? Man is the image of God, apparently, and so has the same mode of thinking as God. That is, in short "No-one tells me what to do..." =)

Posted on 6 May 2012, 19:35:43 BST
gille liath says:

Where people get these definitions of 'religion' I never know. Religion is simply a set of practices geared to worshipping God. Without it you're flying solo, and few of us are adequately equipped to do that.

Posted on 6 May 2012, 19:39:22 BST
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012, 20:08:07 BST
gille liath says:
No, science doesn't claim that - some philosophers do though...

In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012, 20:14:31 BST
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 May 2012, 20:31:31 BST
gille liath says:
Well, I think most scientists would say they formulate 'laws' in accordance with the regularities found in nature - so science conforms to nature, not the other way round. I do think that's a little philosophically naive, but that's the (usually implicit) belief.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2012, 17:54:54 BST
Spin says:
Gille: And what is a "regularity" in nature? Nature cannot be observed its totality 24/7. Is not a "regularity" in nature simply a term expressing limited observation by a human consciousness? And isn't that observation based solely on the "regularity" of mind, so to speak.? Hardly a definition of "Law".

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012, 01:12:23 BST
F Cadell says:
You're just spinning words.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2012, 18:36:44 BST
kraka says:
N. J. Ashton, greetings.

Hi, I really have to say that reading your OP both delighted and amazed me as your spot-on and very insightful comments are rather rare these days.

Religions tend to emerge after the death of a prophet/s and his/their teachings have been formed into scriptures. Gods prophet/s on earth are Gods mediators between God and man, not the church or religions, but religion then steals the role. A true prophet sent by God performs many services to mankind one of which is Divine Revelation to those souls who are ready to recieve it. This reveals the Kingdom of God within and establishes a very real and practical experience of God, this is that which rebinds man back into intimate knowledge and experience of God. The true prophet is the Holy Word made flesh and to those not ready he teaches by words, to those ready he reveals the mysteries of God by Divine revelation. And so it has always been.

The true prophet is a harvester of souls, a good shepard who saves those who hunger to be restored to our Loving Father and the journey starts by a determined seeking of the truth or peace, and religions diverts the seeker away from this into a man made corrupted interpretation of the Truth.

By the Grace of God a good shepard has down through the ages allways been amongst us to reveal the Truth and lead us home but to find Him you have to have the desire in your heart and seek it out. Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of Heaven, not scriptures, not churches, not religions, not your interpretation of scriptures nor other persons interpretations of Gods Word.

You were designed by God with the Truth hidden within in your soul that in your life you may know and walk under the personal guidance of your Loving Father. Why would you accept religion as a substitute for this?

Gods great and wonderful Truth is infinite and eternal, it cannot be written down nor can it it be verbalised, it remains an unknowable mystery to the human mind but your soul resonates and percieves the Truth once you have been enlightened by the perfect master.

As Christ told us....that He is with us always.

Not just in Spirit.............but also in the flesh.

The Good Shepard..........that is.

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