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Jehovah Witness - The ultimate in religious delusion?


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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 15:39:16 BST
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 15:28:39 BST
C. A. Small says:
Spin- not sure that you are thinking coherantly.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 15:13:49 BST
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 15:06:17 BST
C. A. Small says:
Spin- did I say that some Jews are alone in being greedy? No. Did I say that all Jews are greedy? No.

Some very wealthy Jews for whom I have worked are exceptionally greedy. This is not a stereotype. this is a fact.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 14:49:55 BST
Spin says:
Isobel: But why is religion brought into a subject concerning a trait common to a vast majority on this rock?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 14:41:28 BST
Isobel Ayres says:
There is a distinction between 'many people are exceptionally greedy and some of them are Jewish' and 'many Jews are exceptionally greedy' that appears to have been missed.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 14:34:19 BST
Spin says:
CA: "many jews are exceptionally greedy" Really? So no christian, muslim, atheist, empiricist, politician, businessman or X-factor fan are corrupt? Really? I cannot believe that for a person who claims to des[ise the beliefs of religion, you actually succumb to the stereotypes created by religion. Fascinating.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 11:52:10 BST
H W says:
Hi Clive,

I can understand how judgements can be made on a forum. Nobody knows anybody personally and of course, emotions cannot properly be conveyed through text alone; if one isn't Shakespeare.

I am of course stating facts which I've researched personally, based on reliable and valid sources. I'll say it again to anyone reading. If you have a huge amount of debt from a bank, chances are you owe it to a Jew. But if you owed it to blacks, whites, muslims... it wouldn't make a difference in my eyes.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 11:23:54 BST
C. A. Small says:
Hi Harry- I do love Spins "logically"!

An analogy; Some aircraft are unsafe- logically you must hate flying. Stupid and not logical at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2012, 09:54:50 BST
Last edited by the author on 28 May 2012, 11:39:59 BST
H W says:
Hi Spin, I'll try and break it down for you.

[Harry: You claimed that jews are "moneylenders"]- Spin

I did. In the context of how it first came about. The Torah allows Jews to charge usury to non-Jews...and the New Testament forbade Christians from doing so at all. Hence why the Jews overtook their fellows in wealth. Christians had to turn to Jews for banking, because none of middle-aged non-Jewish Europe wanted to lend money if they wouldn't make any money off the debt.

[by employing the terms "moneylender" and "usury" (derogatory terms) you indicate your disdane for certain financial transactions.]- Spin

I'm not sure if you've read the bible, but the word usury is coined by Yahweh who talks to his chosen people about it. And yes, usury isn't very nice, and yes the Jews do it. But I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti anybody who wants to make a quick buck out of other people's misery, i.e debt. It just so happens that most of the multi-national banks are somehow connected to powerful Jewish families.

I gave you the TesCo(hen) link before. Now take our beloved Barclays for instance, the CEO is married to a Katherine Rothschild.

[And since you think all jews are moneylenders,]- Spin

Never said this. Only the wealthiest ones.

[and that 50% of billionaires are jews]- Spin

Yup. All true.

[no doubt a position based on their moneylending, as you so argue]- Spin

Well they got to their current status of power through many ways. Intensive education, money lending, helping one another. I've never seen a group of people stick together so strongly and probably not without due reason either.

[you must logically hate jews.]- Spin

Still can't see why pointing out the obvious in Jewish history would lead you to this "logical" of all conclusions. I'm pointing out that Jews pretty much control the world, I don't have any particular feeling towards this, except they should perhaps share some of their wealth a bit more. I doubt however, that it is going to happen as they have been persecuted by pretty much every other race on the planet.

Posted on 28 May 2012, 09:25:30 BST
Acts5v29 says:
Somehow this thread seems to have been diverted to Judaism...

Actually, the Jewish nation was most, most importantto us - at the very least in one way: their culture lived their history. We demand proof of everything these days, which means that whatever has not been written and attested to and whatever lies outside of living memory is lacking in absolute proof. The Jewish nation lived the proof of the God Who founded their nation right until its fall in the 1st century - there was no need for eye-witnesses to God, nor attested documentation to events: they lived it, it was real throughout generations.

Those who were not part of Israel, and those who do not have love for God in their hearts, have lost that - ousted by the insistence on proof. But the Jewish nation lived the proof of God. Although God has a new stepping-stone in the world - the Christian way - for the time being which lacks the perfect cultural continuity from God's early dealings with the earth, those who love and have confidence in God are doing the same. That is why love of God is priceless.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 23:25:34 BST
Shakepen says:
CA: It is easy to stereotype a group if that group distinguishes itself ethnically. There have been so many ethnic stereotypes that it is unnecessary to even point them out. Given the history of the Jews in the 20th century, both Spin and I believe that ethnically charged terms should be avoided because they were used prejudicially in history. Who wants to use terms that align him with these prejudices if he isn't really prejudiced. Why would I tattoo myself with swastikas and iron crosses if I weren't an Aryan? Everyone would see the tattoos and automatically assume I was an Aryan. The same is true of speech.

Some countries, the U.S.A. is an example, make a criminal charge more serious if evidence of prejudice toward race or ethnic origins is involved.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 20:42:19 BST
C. A. Small says:
Shakepen- I have worked in the poorest and most deprived areas of london, and the wealthiest ( as a home service engineer) with out doubt the meanest, nastiest and most unpleasant were the wealthiest Jews. The poorer ones were lovely people- especially the older ones, with a lovely sense of humour, warm and funny.
The very wealthiest on one occassion tried to con me over a period of months, and I ended up forcing him out of his office and into the HSBC ( I think it was) near his office in Mayfair and getting the funds in cash. He and his partner robbed money from every business they traded with, and tradesmen were warned not to mess with them because they were part of the Jewish mafia.

I had an Israeli chum ( we sadly lost contact as we both travelled a lot) who ran a kibbutz and his views on the very wealthiest Jews shocked me. I learned a lot about the Jewish faith from him ( he wasn't exactly devout) over meals, drinks and staying up all night discussing religion and a million other things under the stars. He was ( and probably still is) a wonderful companion, witty, charming, intelligent and a devotee of blonde Dutch girls, and pork chops.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 19:11:32 BST
Shakepen says:
CA: now you are not reading my posts, you argumentative rascal! Starting with the last point first, I maintained that Jews were forced to earn their living with their brains because they could not own property during the Medieval period. They were confined to the cities and had to provide services to exist. Modern psychology is in agreement that intelligence consists of two components: heredity and environment. Environment does influence intelligence. Moreover, those Jews who could earn a good living were better able to support their families and have more children. These people were more intelligent than their fellows.

As for Jews being greedy, how many non-Jews have you met that are greedy and immoral? Hell, look at what the goyem heads of investment banks did to the world ecomony in 1208! If that weren't greedy and immoral, what is? (I love to use Jewish expressions. I'm getting in touch with my OT side!)

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 18:54:56 BST
C. A. Small says:
Shakepen- no spin is incorrect and so are you. The are many Jews that exceptionally greedy, and totally immoral when it comes to business and money. I have worked for quite a few.

Harry is not in any way anti - semitic, and to reach for that title for anyone who criticises any Jews is frankly dumb.

unfortunately on your other point, the idea that being persecuted leads to geniuses like Einstein is absurd. You may as well posit that homophobia lead to Alan Turings genius.

Geniuses have something very, very, special, maybe even a genetic error that leads to their brain being so much better than us mere mortals.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 18:35:25 BST
Shakepen says:
CA: I disagree. "Usury" is the excessive interest charge for loans. Jews (remember Shylock) have traditionally been criticized because of their usurious practices. Such terms as "greedy," etc. have been used to characterize the Jews. Spin is correct. Harry should rephrase his ideas so he will not be lumped with anti-semetic, Jew haters.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 18:31:25 BST
Shakepen says:
CA: Actually, I've thought about what you wrote. I agree that assimilation would have spared the Jews prejudice and persecution. However, they would no longer have been Jewish. But my point is that the very fact that they retained their cultural identity has enabled them to be the longest enduring ethnic group ever.

I hypothesize that the persecutions, particularly during the Medieval period, helped them evolve a strength in business and professional vocations, which enabled the Jews to contribute more to science and the arts than any other ethnic group. In other posts, I've mentioned Einstein, Freud, and Oppenheimer. These three giants are only the tip of the mountain.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 18:14:43 BST
C. A. Small says:
Sam- good point!

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 16:38:14 BST
Don't you have to be on something in order to slip off it?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 16:25:14 BST
C. A. Small says:
No worries Harry-Spin has obviously slipped off his mental rails ( again).

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 15:05:02 BST
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 14:04:34 BST
H W says:
Thanks Clive. Appreciated.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 14:03:00 BST
H W says:
Please quote me on my hatred towards Jews?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 08:55:32 BST
C. A. Small says:
Spin- Harry has never to my knowledge said he hated Jews, or implied it. Learn to read or go away.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012, 08:54:23 BST
C. A. Small says:
Shakepen you did not address my central point, without the religion they would have assimilated in to cultures around them and been spared such evils as the holocaust and all the other deprivations and cruelty that have been heaped upon them.

How has the Jewish faith helped them? It has not. And it's derivitives Christianity and Islam have done harm like nothing else, and continue so to do.
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