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Is the life of one deserter worth the release of five Taliban leaders?


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Initial post: 4 Jun 2014 17:29:32 BDT
Spin says:
I do not understand the US government's reasoning in this matter. No doubt the hostage exchange is just a cover for some other under-hand deal that was made...We'll find out the truth in 50 or so years...Maybe.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 18:08:28 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jun 2014 18:08:45 BDT
Defenceman says:
Spin,

'We'll find out the truth in 50 or so years...Maybe.'

What does it have to do with us in the UK? If they want to swap prisonsers and do deals, ahead of the US withdrawl from the country, then all they are doing is what US presidents and their military have done over the centuries, which is to 'bring their soldiers home.' A perfectly laudable aim it seems to me, but nothing to do with us.

What would you have done?

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 18:18:13 BDT
Spin says:
David; You are aware the UK is the US ally in fighting the Taliban? If the US releases 5 Taliban leaders who are committed to waging war against the US and its allies, the matter of freeing them concerns us as well? Like I say, there are dirty deeds taking place amongst the US, its allies and the soon to be independent Afghanistan.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 18:28:01 BDT
Spin says:
David; Ps; A soldier who deserts his post because of cowardice and/or stupidity and is then captured by the enemy puts the lives of hundreds of his comrades in danger as they search for him and weakens his nations, and its allies, political leverage in the diplomatic aspect of the war. Further, a man who deserts his defence of his nation should not expect his nation to then defend him.

Posted on 4 Jun 2014 18:52:08 BDT
Spin says:
How conveniently the US government forgets the accusations against it concerning its imprisonment, torture and abuse of prisoners in the field and in POW camps. The US is such a moral nation, don't you know...So moral it exchanges a deserter of no value or consequence to the war for 5 Taliban leaders simply for propaganda, while retaining Guantanamo bay, refuting accusations of its soldiers inhumane treatment of prisoners (and the dead), employing drones that kill more civilians that combatants, and, importantly, instead of capturing Bin Laden alive, shipping him back to the US and interrogating him on order to discover the names and operations behind Al-Qi'iida, (Information that would greatly aid the US and its allies), shooting him and disposing of the body...The Obama administration has no idea how to conduct "warfare". It is the usual "Cowboy" attitude; go in with all guns blazing. And his allies, including the UK "government", are too weak and dependent to point out and oppose his mistakes. Mistakes that effect each of his allies.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 19:32:13 BDT
Defenceman says:
Spin,

'You are aware the UK is the US ally in fighting the Taliban?'

Of course - that's a pointless observation.

'If the US releases 5 Taliban leaders who are committed to waging war against the US and its allies, the matter of freeing them concerns us as well?'

In the circumstances, its unlikely that they'll wage their war on the UK. But in any case, the soldier is American and the Afghans are held at Guantanamo. Nothing to do with us and not our decision.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 19:52:52 BDT
Spin says:
David: "Pointless"? In what way is a nations decision to ally itself with another nation and against another nation 'pointless'? In what manner are the deaths of UK youth in Afghanistan and attacks on UK citizens in their own streets "Pointless"? "? Jesus wept...No wonder you guys are losing the war...You have no idea, have you?

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 20:51:29 BDT
Defenceman says:
Spin,

'"Pointless"? In what way is a nations decision to ally itself with another nation and against another nation 'pointless'?'

It is pointless because there can't be an adult alive in the UK who doesn't know that the UK has been at war in Afghanistan. In other words you were wasting your time in being a mastermind of the blindingly obvious.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 21:01:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jun 2014 21:02:08 BDT
Spin says:
David: It is your apathy, your lack of interest, towards your own citizens and your own society rhat disgusts me.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 21:32:37 BDT
Defenceman says:
Spin,

'It is your apathy, your lack of interest, towards your own citizens and your own society rhat disgusts me.'

They are not my citizens. They are Americans and Afghans sorting out their POW problems, as the US has with Vietnam over the years, and the UK still does with the bodies of WW1 and WW2 personnel thropugh the CWGC when their remains are found.

For all your words, you still haven't said what you would have done in the present situation.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 21:59:36 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 22:15:00 BDT
Defenceman says:
Spin,

For the third time of asking what would you have done if you were the US president? It's easy to carp and criticise when you don't have to make the decision, so lets now hear your words of wisdom.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 22:33:48 BDT
Spin says:
David; If my son was captured by the enemy because he deserted his post I, as a father, I would fight tooth and nail for his return; to bring my son home. but at the same time I would understand why my nation and government would not be willing to expose the lives of their sons, brothers and husbands for the sake of a deserter.

Posted on 4 Jun 2014 23:01:19 BDT
Roma says:
Hi Spin

Deserter is such a horrible word with horrible connotations and cannot always be accurately applied to every soldier who abandons his post. For that reason many soldiers in previous wars who were shot in ignominy by their own side for deserting their posts were granted posthumous pardons. As a good Scotsman, I expect you have read "Sunset Song". This soldier's e mail to his mother and his subsequent abandonment of his post reminds me of the character, Ewan's, feelings of the horror and futility of war which cause him to simply walk away from the madness surrounding him. He, of course, was shot at dawn as a coward. Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, I expect, will be diagnosed as suffering from a stress disorder and will not be punished. Whether there should have been an exchange of prisoners for me is more problematic. Logically, I agree that it does endanger other soldiers but if it were my son who had been imprisoned, I fear my heart would rule by head.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2014 23:16:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Jun 2014 14:24:20 BDT
Spin says:
Roma; A person who decides to abandon their station and refuses to defend his/her nation cannot expect thier nation to defend them. Sorry. but if one chooses to be a trained soldier, one must accept ones responsibility.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jun 2014 05:41:07 BDT
Last edited by the author on 5 Jun 2014 05:41:48 BDT
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Indeed, Spin. By abandoning his post the deserter endangers the lives of his comrades; he is a kind of swindler who may cheats others of their lives and his nation or group of its honour.

Posted on 9 Jun 2014 13:23:10 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jun 2014 14:31:22 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn; One should never negotiate with kidnappers at any level of society, national or international, regardless of who their victim is. To negotiate with kidnappers leads others to the belief that such action is always profitable. Because of the US action there will now be more US citizens kidnapped overseas. In this instance, the Obama administration has made a fatal mistake in securing the safety of its citizens. Unless, of course, as I have mentioned, there is something else going on that we have not been told about...Could Obama, with his nation's long, full history of negotiating for US hostages, ignore the experience and knowledge of his political and military advisers and make such a foolish deal?

Posted on 9 Jun 2014 14:45:44 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jun 2014 15:44:36 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn: I personally think that the deal had more to do with establishing the stability of Afghanistan after the US withdrawal. The exchange of five Taliban leaders for one deserter of no influence or consequence to the politics or intelligence of the matter only makes sense if some back-room deal was made and, since the US could not admit to freeing such men simply to secure stability in what will soon be an independent sovereign nation, covered-up by pretending to be concerned about the life of a single foolish US citizen. Whether the US can trust these Taliban to uphold their side of the bargain remains to be seen. I very much doubt it.

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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2014 08:21:16 BDT
Garscadden says:
"... being sent to Saudi Arabia's "Jihadist De-programming" camp"

Wouldn't that be like releasing a US soldier, but not letting him go home, instead sending him to an Islam indoctrination camp? If you are letting someone go it doesn't seem at all weird that you, you know, let them go.
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