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The Collusion of the English State with known terrorists in the murder of an innocent man in front of his family...


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Initial post: 12 Dec 2012, 19:37:26 GMT
Spin says:
And all we get is "Sorry" from a Coalition capitalist....

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Dec 2012, 19:58:12 GMT
Kleist says:
And what exactly did you expect?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Dec 2012, 20:03:51 GMT
Spin says:
Mr Anthony: Not an obviously media freindly, propoganda based comment. A commitment to find out who the colluders were.. For they may be in your government right now...

Posted on 12 Dec 2012, 20:05:32 GMT
Spin says:
The Finucane family are quite right; this "report" is a whitewash, accusing but naming no-one.

Posted on 12 Dec 2012, 20:15:53 GMT
Spin says:
Even the Irish "rebels" have succumbed to the pleasure of politics....Is Ireland free or is it colonised? Decide, once and for all among yourselves, not foreign influences...Fight for what you believe in, not what what you are told to fight for..Money, as promised by the "Agreement" is not the cure, is it? Stand up and fight...Or are your commercial interests more worthy of your attention?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Dec 2012, 20:23:31 GMT
Kleist says:
If that is what you expected then you have more faith in the moral integrity of our 'Coalition capitalist' (as you call it) state than I have. Personally I think that for once they just got found out doing what comes natural to them.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Dec 2012, 20:32:22 GMT
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Spin says:
Mr A; For years the Irish were terrorists and drunks. Now, if we have one example of how the English colluded in murder, how many other times did the great British Empire resort to criminality in Ireland and in other countries? This report goes much deeper than than the instance of a lawyer being shot by the Uk because his clients were IRA members or sympathisers. Ask yourself what your government is doing now in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt. North Korea, China and Israel... Hmmm...

Posted on 12 Dec 2012, 21:47:42 GMT
Spin says:
No. The UK government is innocent of the actions it monitors in its colonies...Uk Spies work independently....

Posted on 13 Dec 2012, 00:27:32 GMT
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Posted on 13 Dec 2012, 00:39:46 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Dec 2012, 13:28:48 GMT
Dan Fante says:
That's certainly much more plausible than the 'innocent man' take on it. Not that it makes it right, i.e. collusion between the RUC and loyalist paramilitaries in order to have him killed but he who lives by the sword and all that...You have to wonder, like you say, how many died because of the information he obtained from his clients and the access to legal information etc.

Posted on 13 Dec 2012, 20:17:46 GMT
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Kleist says:
I don't know whether he was an innocent man or a very evil man. He may, for all I know, have been the devil incarnate. I don't know whether the (ex) IRA terrorist Sean O'Callaghan is telling the truth or not. A man capable of murder may also be capable of lying. The murders that the IRA perpetrated against soldiers and policemen are certainly unforgivable. Not to mention the murder of civilians. I don't know just how much Finucane contributed to these deaths. What I do know, however, is that he was murdered, and that the British State is accused of colluding with the murderers. It may be a good thing that he is dead, I don't know. Indeed you have to wonder how many etc (the reason you have to wonder is because unlike O'Callaghan he never got convicted before a court of law). But it does not follow that it is a good thing to murder a man in front of his wife and children (who may also have been great sinners for all I know).

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 03:36:40 GMT
Wood-Eye says:
The actions of all during the Troubles in Northern Ireland revealed the black soul of man when the concept of right and wrong is skewed to whatever bent one wants to justify horrific behavior, whether temporary or long-term. There can be no excuse for slaughtering a child, be it at the hands of a Loyalist, Republican, or British agents. The Troubles has left a stink over Northern Ireland that only time may dilute. Man can, has, and continues to demonstrate propensity for monstrous behavior throughout time and in every corner of the planet. While authors, politicians, and "freedom fighters" try to excuse the consequences of their decisions as "collateral damage" or "justifiable retribution", the only hope mankind has in surviving the ill we cause is through our children. They are born without hate nor prejudice, but learn it very quickly to our everlasting shame. Point is, the Troubles gave free rein to criminals on all sides.

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 03:38:49 GMT
Wood-Eye says:
The actions of all during the Troubles in Northern Ireland revealed the black soul of man when the concept of right and wrong is skewed to whatever bent one wants to justify horrific behavior, whether temporary or long-term. There can be no excuse for slaughtering a child, be it at the hands of a Loyalist, Republican, or British agents. The Troubles has left a stink over Northern Ireland that only time may dilute. Man can, has, and continues to demonstrate propensity for monstrous behavior throughout time and in every corner of the planet. While authors, politicians, and "freedom fighters" try to excuse the consequences of their decisions as "collateral damage" or "justifiable retribution", the only hope mankind has in surviving the ill we cause is through our children. They are born without hate nor prejudice, but learn it very quickly to our everlasting shame. Point is, the Troubles gave free rein to criminals on all sides.

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 06:42:03 GMT
easytiger says:
There is no such thing as the "English state".

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2012, 11:48:55 GMT
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Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 11:55:25 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Another excellent and informative post.

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 14:35:10 GMT
Being a Derry man I don't think it possible to trust the British forces after Bloody Sunday to be honest. Just my obviously biased opinion but I grew up conditioned to it.

No doubt the IRA are muppets as well, but that march and motorman really fueled the fire. IRA recruitment would have increased substantially because of those two turn of events.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2012, 15:37:00 GMT
Huck Flynn says:
Hi Stephen - i don't know about you but i'm not sure the BS Enquiry was money well spent - lined the pockets of many lawyers no doubt but it should have been possible to investigate and produce the same findings more quickly and at less cost to the public purse. A Dirty war all round and "The Crown" doesn't come out of it with any credit. We're moving on here now towards some sort of normality and shared future (wherever it leads us) - i'd rather see us learn from our mistakes and have money spent building hope and prosperity than raking over the past. Sympathies to the Finnucane family.

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 16:44:46 GMT
Spin says:
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Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 17:12:29 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2012, 17:15:38 GMT
Kleist says:
D. Harthill. I read all of your posts with great interest and great sympathy. It is perhaps always a good thing when dealing with these issues to be reminded of the extent and brutality of the crimes that were perpetrated by the IRA. I agree with you that:
'if one is going to beg sympathy for someone so murdered as Spin has, then it is pertinent that Irish republican terrorists have murdered far more people in front of their family than any other agent.'
only I was trying to make two other points 1) That it is only pertinent if one agrees that Finucane bears any responsibility for these crimes. You have gone some way to establishing that he does by evoking Sean O'Callagan's work. However some might not consider him a particularly reliable witness. As I said I don't know the trutrh of the matter. But even if we can establish this then.2) Just because they have done worse does not justify this crime.
As to who is implicated in what, all I can go on is the De Silva report of which the Gaurdian remarks: 'The report documented extensive evidence of State collaboration with Loyalist gunmen, including the selection of targets, and concluded that "there was a wilful and abject failure by successive governments to provide the clear policy and legal framework necessary for agent-handling operations to take place effectively within the law."Prime minister Cameron acknowledged "shocking levels of collusion" and issued an apology. However,Finucane's family denounced the report as a "sham" and a "suppression of the truth" into which they were allowed no input.'
Maybe the 'Supergrass' Eamon Collins knows better. I don't know.

Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 17:51:51 GMT
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Posted on 14 Dec 2012, 19:51:35 GMT
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