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Initial post: 21 Dec 2012 13:59:46 GMT
Well-Well-Well, were do i start. The "so-called" 2012 apocalypse never happened. I'll admit, i never believed any of this nonsense anyway. Why? because The Mayans never predicted world to end in 2012. It was the end of a cycle, and the beginning of a new one! Conspiracy Theories are like a game of Chinese Whispers and have no real purpose in the real world, other than to scaremonger a lot of people. And lets face the facts here, most of the time it works. In other words, it's the ultimate form of trolling, and the perpetrators responsible for YouTube uploads and written internet articles, should face count for spreading misinformation - with a minimum sentence of 10 years in jail. This may seem rather hard on Conspiracy Theorists, but they're responsible for too much scaremongering, and it reaches many millions of people on a global scale, therefore, should be illegal worldwide.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 14:21:52 GMT
kraka says:
What about the death sentence for liars?

Posted on 21 Dec 2012 14:29:38 GMT
gille liath says:
- The Ides of march have come, Caesar.
- Aye; but not gone...

Posted on 21 Dec 2012 14:46:49 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Maybe it did happen and this is hell.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 14:50:42 GMT
gille liath says:
Business as usual then!

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 15:15:25 GMT
Defenceman says:
Dan Fante,

'Maybe it did happen and this is hell.'

I think you are right - M. E. Phelan's still posting on here!

Posted on 21 Dec 2012 15:38:24 GMT
Agricola says:
Does anyone know yet, which is the next date that the 'Doomsday is nigh Industry' is promoting?

In fact, not just the next one, but prior knowledge of the next half dozen or so would be helpful!

Posted on 21 Dec 2012 16:39:07 GMT
TomC says:
I must say it has been a huge disappointment.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 16:53:53 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi CC,
10 years - A bit harsh, but I know just what you mean,
A lot of people have 'made millions' on the back of paranoia fostered by IMO unscrupulous people.
As far back as I can remember, even to being a child in the 50's people walked about with plackards saying 'The End is Nigh.' No one took a blind bit of notice.
Unfortunately...over the years since then, there have been so many end of the world films and such, that some people have lost their grasp on reality.
Ron Hubbard builds stylish underground bomb-proof shelter in California
Designer's business has gone from selling one per month to one per day
Some say Mayan Long Count calendar proves world will end this Friday
The luxurious bomb, nuclear and chemical weapon-proof bunkers are kitted out with beds, kitchens, flushing toilets and even fireplaces - and sell for an average price of £46,000...........
Read more:

''The year 2012 is acting like a badly behaved celebrity. Frightful rumors and gossip are spreading.
Already more than a half dozen books are marketing, to eager fans. Astronomical fears about the film; '2012 End Times.' Opening in theaters on Friday, Nov. 13, a $200-million disaster movie that seems designed to break all records for disaster spectacles -- with cracking continents, plunging asteroids, burning cities, and a tsunami throwing an aircraft carrier through the White House. The movie's ominous slogan: "Find out the truth."
Two other major movies about the 2012 doomsday are also reported to be in the works.
Anyone who trawls the internet or late night chat shows, knows why...
The ancient Maya of Mexico and Guatemala kept a calendar that is about to roll up the red carpet of time, swing the solar system into transcendental alignment with the heart of the Milky Way, and turn Earth into a bowling pin for a rogue planet heading down our alley for a strike.''

People you know, however, are likely becoming a bit afraid that modern astronomy and Maya secrets are indeed conspiring to bring our doom. If people know you're an astronomer, they will soon be asking you all about it.

Birth of a Notion
We"ve had similar scares in the recent past (Since time began?) but none quite like this. The last time the world got all worked up over the mystical turning of a calendar was the false Millennium of Jan. 1, 2000. Never mind the actual Y2K computer-date bug. True-believer authors (and their imitators) published scary and/or hopeful books about the moment's prophetic potential to catch an immense cosmic wave and change everything for either good or ill. (AND MAKE MILLIONS-my comment )
Borrowing a forecast from Nostradamus, the 16th-century French riddler, author Charles Berlitz predicted catastrophe in his 1981 book Doomsday 1999. Berlitz (fresh off books on Atlantis and the Bermuda Triangle), warned that 1999 could inflict flood, famine, pollution and a shift of Earth's magnetic poles. He also spotlighted the planetary alignment of May 5, 2000, and warned that it could bring solar flares, severe earthquakes, "land changes" and "seismic explosions."

In the 1990s an entire "Earth Changes" movement swelled into being as the end of the century neared, with all sorts of Millennial expectations -- earthquakes, plagues, polar axis shifts, continents sliding into the sea, Atlantis rising and more. In England, the Sun tabloid predicted a "marvelous millennium of joy, peace, prosperity."

When Jan. 1, 2000, came and went with nothing worse than ski-lift passes printing the date as 1900, the focus shifted to "5/5/2000" several months later. Most believers in the power of planetary alignments forgot the failure of earlier lineups to induce disaster. The "Jupiter Effect" cataclysm predicted for March 10, 1982 (named for the 1974 book about it by John Gribbin and Stephen Plagemann) commanded headlines but never materialized.

Throughout history, end-of-the-world movements missing their mark number in the "hundreds of thousands at the very least, says Richard Landes, historian at Boston University and director of its Center for Millennial Studies. But people eager for the world to end are not to be denied, and this time, of course, all will be different?

The Rollover
What exactly is the Maya calendar about to do? On Dec. 21, 2012, it will display the equivalent of a string of zeros, like the odometer turning over on your car, with the close of something like a millennium. In Maya calendrics, however, it's not the end of a thousand years. It's the end of Baktun 13. The Maya calendar was based on multiple cycles of time, and the baktun was one of them. A baktun is 144,000 days: a little more than 394 years.
Scholars have deciphered how the Maya calendar worked from historical texts and ancient inscriptions, and they have accurately correlated so-called Maya Long Count dates with the equivalent dates in our calendar. Just as we number our years counting from a historically and culturally significant event -the presumed birth year of Christ; Maya times were numbered from a date endowed with religious and cosmic significance: the creation date of the present world order. A Long Count date is the tally of days from that mythic startup. Most experts think the start point corresponds to Aug. 11, 3114 B.C.
Most of the Maya calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 ◊ 20) was known as a katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 ◊ 7,200 = 144,000 days). Although some ancient inscriptions turn 13 baktuns into an important reset milestone, others imply that the calendar simply keeps running. For instance, it takes 20 baktuns to make a pictun.
No one paid much attention to the end of Baktun 13 until fairly recently. In 1975 Frank Waters, a romantic and speculative author, devoted a brief section to the subject in his book Mexico Mystique. He identified the 13-baktun interval as a "Mayan Great Cycle," overestimated its duration as 5,200 years, and equated five such cycles with five legendary eras, each of which ends in the world's destruction and rebirth.
There is no genuine Maya tradition behind any of this.

You can read the rest of this (IMO)excellent article by opening the link:
The point is, that none of us knows from one day to the next when our 'end' will be; so we should concentrate all our efforts on being kind to people and loving one another, making each day as happy and peaceful as we can.
With that in mind I wish for you all a Happy Christmas and a Healthy, Peaceful New Year... even to the Sgroom.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 17:20:47 GMT
Pendragon says:
Hi Agricola

It seems that next up are solar storms.

"In 2013, the earth will be attacked from space, with one possible outcome being mind-bogglingly severe disruption to our tech-centric way of life. ... massive solar storms set to strike the earth in 2013."

From There was a Horizon programme about this earlier in 2012, which is being repeated on Eden at the moment (for those with Sky or similar).

My personal favourite is asteroid Apophis. Not due for a few years yet. I did start a thread about it a while back on the Religion Forum, which was mostly ignored at the time. :(

Not spotted a list of future doomsdays yet, but there is a handy summary of past ones at
Seven different groups for you to enjoy.

Posted on 21 Dec 2012 17:45:31 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Pen, Good links thank you.
Here's another page of many on this site, that actually puts all things into persepective:

One of the most bizarre theories about 2012 has built up with very little attention to facts. This idea holds that a cosmic alignment of the sun, Earth, the center of our galaxy -- or perhaps the galaxy's thick dust clouds -- on the winter solstice could for some unknown reason lead to destruction. Such alignments can occur but these are a regular occurrence and can cause no harm (and, indeed, will not even be at its closest alignment during the 2012 solstice.)

The details are as follows: Viewed far from city lights, a glowing path called the Milky Way can be seen arching across the starry sky. This path is formed from the light of millions of stars we cannot see individually. It coincides with the mid plane of our galaxy, which is why our galaxy is also named the Milky Way.

Thick dust clouds also populate the galaxy. And while infrared telescopes can see them clearly, our eyes detect these dark clouds only as irregular patches where they dim or block the Milky Way's faint glow. The most prominent dark lane stretches from the constellations Cygnus to Sagittarius and is often called the Great Rift, sometimes the Dark Rift.

Another impressive feature of our galaxy lies unseen in Sagittarius: the galactic center, about 28,000 light-years away, which hosts a black hole weighing some four million times the sun's mass.

The claim for 2012 links these two pieces of astronomical fact with a third -- the position of the sun near the galactic center on Dec. 21, the winter solstice for the Northern Hemisphere -- to produce something that makes no astronomical sense at all.

As Earth makes its way around the sun, the sun appears to move against the background stars, which is why the visible constellations slowly change with the seasons. On Dec. 21, 2012, the sun will pass about 6.6 degrees north of the galactic center -- that's a distance that looks to the eye to be about 13 times the full moon's apparent size -- and it's actually closer a couple of days earlier. There are different claims about why this bodes us ill, but they boil down to the coincidence of the solstice with the sun entering the Dark Rift somehow portending disaster or the mistaken notion that the sun and Earth becoming aligned with the black hole in the galactic center allows some kind of massive gravitational pull on Earth.

The first strike against this theory is that the solstice itself does not correlate to any movements of the stars or anything in the universe beyond Earth. It just happens to be the day that Earth's North Pole is tipped farthest from the sun.

Second, Earth is not within range of strong gravitational effects from the black hole at the center of the galaxy since gravitational effects decrease as the square of the distance from it. Earth is 93 million miles from the sun and 165 quadrillion miles from the Milky Way's black hole. The sun and the moon (a smaller mass, but much closer) are by far the most dominant gravitational forces on Earth. Throughout the course of the year, our distance from the Milky Way's black hole changes by about one part in 900 million - not nearly enough to cause a real change in gravity's pull. Moreover, we're actually nearest to the galactic center in the summer, not at the winter solstice.

Third, the sun appears to enter the part of the sky occupied by the Dark Rift every year at the same time, and its arrival there in Dec. 2012 portends precisely nothing.

Enjoy the solstice, by all means, and don't let the Dark Rift, alignments, solar flares, magnetic field reversals, potential impacts or alleged Maya end-of-the-world predictions get in the way.

Francis Reddy
NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD


In reply to an earlier post on 21 Dec 2012 19:10:27 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Ohh David
Low blow. Beneath you sir.


Posted on 21 Dec 2012 19:14:39 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
As someone who has much experience of working in large organisations the explanation is simple. The Mayans had a focus group, found out the calendar was not meeting the business need and thus set up a working committee to look into a more effective branded model.
Naturally, they are still working on it.
Simple really.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 09:58:41 GMT
Defenceman says:
Roger from Wrexham,

'Low blow. Beneath you sir'

Very true, but I couldn't resist it. Do I have to stand in the corner?

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 10:41:54 GMT
It's the naughty step for you, David. And no internet... for ten minutes.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 11:37:34 GMT
Defenceman says:
Sam Hunter,

'And no internet... for ten minutes. '

Have you been talking to my other half? She'd love to get me off my keyboard occasionally.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 13:17:06 GMT
Agricola says:
Thanks for the list, Pendragon

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 17:23:52 GMT
I bet she would with you hanging around here like a ever present bad smell.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 17:45:39 GMT
No, I've not been talking to anyone. No-one at all. Yep, no talking...

...and there's definitely no conspiracy involved at all. So no theorising about it! ;-)

Posted on 22 Dec 2012 18:57:36 GMT
kraka says:
Hey everybody............beware !!!!!..... this afternoon the wind blew my hat off, maybe the apocalypse has just started.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 18:59:50 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Too many sprouts?

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 19:27:38 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Hi David.
No..... having read the exchanges between you and Margaret, I guess you will both carry on.
Oh well....
I did say it with a measure on tongue-in-cheek, and an 'old school tie' accent.
I enjoy both your contributions by the way and respect the way you both put them together.
Couldn't resist my posting I guess.
Seasons greetings

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 19:28:08 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Oh my!
Which direction???
I need to know so I know where I can hide, and what coloured socks to wear!
Thanks for the warning

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 19:30:16 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
I heard on Radio 4's Today programme yesterday that it could be possible to produced genetically altered sprouts to avoid such mishaps.
Do think this might spare us an apocolypse?

Posted on 22 Dec 2012 19:50:56 GMT
Yet another reminder why conspiracy theorists are gullible oafs, really.
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