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Us the Civil war in Ukraine evidence of the spread of civil unrest from the Mid- and East Orient?

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Initial post: 29 Jul 2014 11:32:14 BDT
Spin says:
I notice that unrest (not any particular unrest, but civil unrest as a phenomenon) began in in earnest in Afghanistan, (when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan) spread West, hit the mid orient, branched out over Northern Africa and Turkey. From Africa it hit Spain and Greece and through Turkey it hit Ukraine...It is now spreading Eastward, over the Far Orient and currently made landfall in South America. The only areas relatively free of civil unrest are Europe, North America and Australia. How long can that last?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 12:12:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jul 2014 12:15:57 BDT
"The only areas relatively free of civil unrest are Europe, North America and Australia. How long can that last? "

Simple answer
Not long.

The West is bankrupt, reliant on imported food/goods/services that can no longer be paid for, and ramping up the surveillance/security services as fast as they can. Literally tens of millions rely on welfare payments for their next meal. So the answer to you question is obvious really, isn't it?

Until the 'Welfare' stops flowing.

THAT is when the bill for fifty years of doctrinaire (Satanic?) folly will hit everyone's mat at the same time.

Will it be the long predicted 'End Times' mentioned below? Your guess is as good as mine on that, but it's certainly going to seem like it, for an awful lot of people.

" Everyone will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. Stand firm, and you will win life. But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written. Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days, for there will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. "Then there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars; and there will be anguish on the earth among nations bewildered by the roaring sea and waves. People will faint from fear and expectation of the things that are coming on the world, because the celestial powers will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is near! " - Luke 21:17 -28.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 12:16:57 BDT
Spin says:
CW; My fear is that the unrest will spread in Europe unless we do something to quell its potential eruption. Religion, politics and economics are not helping. Somebody better think of a solution 'pronto'...

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 13:35:45 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jul 2014 13:38:02 BDT
" Somebody better think of a solution 'pronto'... "

Completely agree yet again Spin!

The initial step would be to subject the entire British Establishment (every single individual earning more than £50/60,000 per year.) to lie-detector verified interview/interrogation. If they pass fine; they keep their jobs. If they fail, they should be immediately suspended pending further investigation.

As the true scale/size of this social cancer is revealed; a huge number of genuinely decent/honourable MPs, Civil Servants, Judges, Police Officers, BBC staff and the like would receive rapid promotion; stepping into the positions previously occupied by perverts/degenerates etc...

But do any of us think it possible? Would be like the citizenry attempting to shift the Nazi/Soviet hierarchies wouldn't it?

So I suppose we've just got to wait for the inevitable implosion?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 13:49:51 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 14:21:41 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2014 12:11:16 BDT
"CW; I am thinking of buying a few acres in the Amazon "

We were hoping to do the same in the West Country last year Spin.

Eventually became discouraged due to constant bureaucratic problems and complexity of the financial situation, 'Thank the Lord' !!!

Few weeks after we'd abandoned the idea, the whole area was flooded out for months, due to Lord Smith's incompetence at the Environment Agency !

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 14:40:25 BDT
Spin says:
CW; I watched a BBC program called "I bought a rainforest" (or something like that) about a nature photographer who took up the banner and devoted himself to saving the Amazon by buying a few acres and protecting it.... and it was exactly as I expected; NOT as simple an issue as the 'green' party and its propoganda tells us...

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 14:44:37 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 14:51:42 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn; Civil unrest is the product of a superior education? What do think these folk who kill women, children, and anyone who slightly disagrees with them, are 'educated' in? Israel, ISIS and Boko Haram and must be highly intelligent and logical...=) To hell with reading Steinbeck or Hemingway, let's read the Torah and Qu'ran. =)

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 15:04:20 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 15:05:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2014 12:10:18 BDT
Marilyn is quite right on this Spin.

Mass ignorance has a huge benefits for the elite in all societies. How many decent Germans refused to believe the existence of the 'Death Camps' ?

How many in UK still refuse to believe Edward Heath was a Satanic paedophile?

In Japan, concern about the Fukushima disaster triggering civil disorder prompted the Media to broadcast 'information' programmes saying radiation only affects people who don't smile !!! Worse still, millions supposedly believed it, on the basis that "The Government consists of honourable men, they would not lie to us at such a time."

Truth about Fukushima ISIS Report 05/06/12 - deLiberation
13 Jun 2012 ... The Japanese government had information from SPEEDI (System for Prediction ... "Radiation is only a threat to people who worry about it." "Smile and you won't be affected by the radiation. ... A great deal of confusion and anxiety is created by the different units used in announcements to the popular media.

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 15:17:22 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn and CW; No offence meant, but I do not consider your education, or its sources to be the most 'reliable'. Education has less to do with what one is taught by others or what one reads but is ultimately dependent on ones experience of life and those who inhabit it... Listen to, read and quote what you want; but that is not even 'Knowledge' never-mind 'education'.

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 15:44:13 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 15:47:31 BDT
Spin says:
Marilyn; Not partially, but completely. Learn from your experience of others, not from what others have to say about your experience.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 17:14:39 BDT
The Soviet Union did NOT invade Afghanistan. your language please.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 17:35:25 BDT
Anita says:
Yes, it did.

The soviet union DID invade Afghanistan

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 17:40:08 BDT
Spin says:
Gom; Sorry, they accidently 'wandered in', yes?...

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 19:02:37 BDT
No, don't be silly....they were asked in by the government.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 19:03:19 BDT
In your opinion Anita, always your opinion...and just your opinion.

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 19:08:22 BDT
1978 27 April: Afghanistan's communist People's Democratic Party seizes power in a coup but is split along ethnic lines and in-fighting begins. The country is renamed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA). An Islamic and conservative insurgency soon begins in the provinces.

5 December: A friendship treaty is signed with the USSR, building on Soviet economic and military support given to Afghanistan since the early 1950s.


March: The USSR begins massive military aid to the DRA, including hundreds of advisers, as the US scales down its presence after the murder of its kidnapped ambassador. Afghan soldiers mutiny in Herat, massacring Soviet citizens before their rebellion is crushed.

September: Hafizullah Amin emerges as DRA leader from a bout of bloodletting in the government during which President Nur Mohammed Taraki is killed. Requests for large numbers of Soviet forces to combat the growing insurgency continue under Amin's administration.

12 December: The Politbureau's inner circle, fearing the spectre of an Iranian-style Islamist revolution and wary of Amin's secret meetings with US diplomats in Afghanistan, decides to invade.

24 December: The Soviet defence ministry reveals orders to senior staff to send troops into Afghanistan. Commandos seize strategic installations in Kabul. Armoured columns cross the border at Termez and Kushka heading towards Kabul and Herat respectively.

29 December: After a week of heavy fighting during which Soviet commandos kill Amin and tens of thousands of troops invade by ground and air, Babrak Kamal is installed as the DRA's new Soviet-backed leader.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 19:14:45 BDT
Anita says:
I may have opinion *about* the fact which is irrelevant. But fact is fact, not an opinion

Posted on 29 Jul 2014 19:35:20 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Jul 2014 14:28:05 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
The lines between Civil Unrest, Civil War, Cross-Border War and Wars between Nations are blurred and always have been. Prior to the USSR's 'assistance' to the Afghanistan Govt in 1979 already up and running were to name but a few
Basque separatists in Northern Spain
The multiple conflicts in the Lebanon.
The ongoing strifes between Palestinians and Israelis.
Civil Wars in Mozambique & Angola
The Polisario Front's conflict in the Western Sahara against Morocco and Mauritania (Algeria and France too)
Cypriot communal wars- Greece and Turkey joining in
The communal violence in Ulster.
And those were the ones I can recall from the news ( inc BBC World Service, prior to cut-backs).

Go back further or go forward and there were & are more
Sadly conflict is nothing new in Human History.
Since WWII Western Europe has, aside from Ulster and the Basque separatist had a certain stability, if one ignores riots and acts of terror.
When our turn will come around again (and History suggests it will) is to be seen.
On the World Scale there is nothing particularly 'apocalyptic'. That is reserved for the folk who are resident in the area of conflict.

There is no magic formulae or someone coming up with something quick.
Some would even say that wars are unavoidable and are part of human nature (or are exacerbated by false borders).

In my own dreamy little world I wonder if everyone devoted one hour a day to making some effort to somehow reaching out (as we can these inter-net days) to others to try and create one vast ordinary human based dialogue, in which we ignore our leaders, demagogues or opportunist financial carrion crows.
Yes I know. I'm dreaming.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 19:42:34 BDT
No don't seem to understand how language really works. All history is opinion...there are no facts.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2014 22:35:09 BDT
Garscadden says:
Is that a fact?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Jul 2014 04:14:04 BDT
No. An opinion ...a fluid opinion.
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