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Initial post: 26 Nov 2012, 19:43:12 GMT
In one of the most bizarre cases of racial intimidation in recent years in multicultural Britain, a woman of Czech descent has been convicted of racism for "abusing" her New Zealand-born neighbor a "stupid fat Australian" during a drunken argument.

In September, Petra Mills, born in Czechoslovakia, was arrested for racially aggravated public disorder for insulting her neighbor, Chelsea O'Reilly, in Macclesfield, Cheshire, south of Manchester. Mills' tirade against her neighbor came in the wake of violent domestic dispute with her own husband, Michael.

According to the Daily Telegraph, in her subsequent court appearance, O'Reilly testified: "[Petra] called me a stupid fat Australian b_tch. Because of my accent there can be some confusion over my nationality. She knew I was from New Zealand."

O'Reilly added: "She was trying to be offensive. I was really insulted. She said she would kill my dog. Bizarrely she then blew raspberries at me like a child."

Mills defended herself, citing she was under pressure due to an imminent move to a new property.

"Yes, I shouted at [O'Reilly] but it had nothing to do with racism," she said.

"I did not use the word Australian. I used to live with an Australian person. She was very nice."

However, the chief magistrate in the case, chairman of the bench Brian Donohue, decided that the word "Australian" was spewed by Petra as a derogatory term.

"You were in an emotional and inebriated state. The word Australian was used," he stated. "It was racially aggravated and the main reason it was used was in hostility."

Petra, who also admitted assaulting one of the arresting police officers, received a fine of £110 ($175) for "racially aggravated public disorder" and £200 for the assault. In addition, she was adjudged fines of £50 for her victim, as well as £500 in court costs.

The peculiar incident received attention in media Down Under.

In a letter appearing in the Australian Times, Australian journalist Paul Bleakley wrote that the conviction in the case chilled him "to the bone" and that it "should pose serious questions for every Australian living" in the U.K., citing that the term "Australian" now may have "negative connotations."

"I do not know how things stand in Macclesfield, but every Australian living in the United Kingdom would wear the title as a badge of honor (even if it was yelled at them by a drunken nemesis)," Bleakley wrote.

"At the least, it is merely a descriptive term. At the best, it is the greatest compliment Ms. Mills could have given to her Kiwi neighbor, even though that was not her intention."

However, given that the two protagonists in this court case are both white Europeans, one must wonder whether "Australian" or "Aussie" can be considered derogatory.

According to UrbanDictionary.com, "Aussie" can indeed be regarded as an insulting term, but depends on the context.

However, far more pejorative are terms like "Convict" (in reference to the fact that Australia was originally established as a penal colony); "Crocodile Hunter," "Roo" (derived from kangaroo).

In contrast, the slang term for a New Zealand native - a 'kiwi', after the beloved native flightless bird - is not the least bit derogatory.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012, 19:53:14 GMT
HA HA, funny shizzle! sourkraut what you are kod!!!

Posted on 26 Nov 2012, 20:11:56 GMT
The police are on their way !!!

Posted on 26 Nov 2012, 20:57:29 GMT
The word is not the thing....

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012, 21:33:06 GMT
wherein you'll catch the conscience of the king. =)

Posted on 27 Nov 2012, 08:46:55 GMT
Dan Fante says:
She should've call her a Slovak **** in retaliation.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 08:53:36 GMT
C. A. Small says:
How on earth did this get to court?

Posted on 27 Nov 2012, 09:22:31 GMT
RABB says:
To be fair I'd be insulted if I was called an Australian too.

But in all seriousness, this is ridiculous. When I was living in Australia I was called a Pom on a daily basis and not once did it bother me.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 09:29:22 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Crazy It costs £12,000 per day for a court to run.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 09:44:13 GMT
C. A. Small says:
I used to drink in a pub in Sydenham with mainly Aussie bar staff, the usual greeting was- "G'day mate ,what are you pommie b*strds drinking then?" The retort was always defamatory and questioned whether we really allowed criminals descendants back in the country. No-one ever took offence- it was a joke.

Even when some moron was offensive about Aussies it was taken with the good humour that nation are renowned for. I cannot believe anyone could be insulted by being called an Aussie, much less some officer would rank it worthy of attention.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 09:47:23 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Just down the road C A - Of the Aussies I have known nor worked with - they have had a great SOH. NZ accents are more similar to South African IMO - much more clipped that Australian. Maybe it's a reginal thing?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 10:07:11 GMT
RABB says:
I would say Kiwi is to Australian as Canadian is to American. Very similar but there's some little quirks that make it different enough to be mocked. :D I remember working in a KFC and being asked for "Sux Wucked Wungs". Always made me chuckle. I wouldn't call a South African accent that similar, it's just a garbled mess of all sorts.

Kinda similar to what I speak come to think of it. I've got all sorts, Yank, Aussie, had a few South African mates, half my family's from Lancashire the other half from Portsmouth. It's a mess really.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 10:12:31 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
half my family's from Lancashire the other half from Portsmouth. It's a mess really.
Wow what a mixture!

I work in East London, for an American Company surrounded by many nationalities and accents.

Posted on 27 Nov 2012, 10:21:24 GMT
C. A. Small says:
A chap i met on a Greek beach was half Dutch , half German. He was fluent in French Dutch and German, he learned his English on two building sites, one in Liverpool the other in West Ham (East London). It was hysterical. He was so intelligent, and picked up languages with apparent ease, but the combination of Scouse and Cockney, with a Dutch accent was enough to have us crying with laughter. Happy days.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 10:24:09 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Sounds Hilarious! Happy Days Indeed

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 10:24:29 GMT
RABB says:
I'm alright at learning languages but accents I pick up almost immediately when I'm in a new place. My 'northern' accent when I'm up in Wigan is ridiculous but I can't really help it. Add that in with the "west country Cockney" accent in Pompey and the remnants of Aussie and it's a wonder anyone can understand me.

Posted on 27 Nov 2012, 10:36:17 GMT
Dan Fante says:
My Grandad was from Devon but spent the last 40-odd years of his life in Newcastle. He kept his accent but picked up the local lingo which was quite amusing at times.

Posted on 27 Nov 2012, 13:59:02 GMT
easytiger says:
A bloke in my local in Newcastle ran away to Reigate for some reason when he was a young teen and stayed for a long time. He speaks the geordie lingo with a Surrey accent, honest.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:01:20 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Ran away to Reigate? A rebel without a clue?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:03:43 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Beats Margate

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:30:37 GMT
"Canadian is to American. Very similar"

Christ don't ever say that to an American. Or a Canadian for that matter.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:33:38 GMT
RABB says:
Yeah I know that, and the same goes for Aussie and Kiwis but they are similar accents.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:36:18 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Doesn't everything?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:39:10 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Yep Ramsgates a close second!

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2012, 14:39:49 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Well I suppose no one would go looking for him there.
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