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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 18:20:47 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Apr 2012 19:04:20 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi mister joe. Glad someone else is in stiches over Spins horse. I keep thinking of the Father Ted episode with the song, My Lovely Horse I think it was. I read an article some years ago with Velvet Underground where horse was mentioned, that would have been in the seventies. Perhaps Spin has been trying to snort the one he has in the garden.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 20:10:24 BDT
Spin says:
Charlieost: Who says I have no experience of the effects and consequences of drugs? just because you consider your tales of a rebellious youth to constitute "experience" of drugs, does not make it so. A true experience of drugs, be they legal or illegal, is not so much an "experience" as a "trial" for all involved. It is such juvenile and shallow conceptions of drug-abuse and addiction that hinder attempts to seriously address the problem. The fact is this: ANY substance, legal or illegal, naturally-occurring or artificially -produced which alters ones mental and physical processes is detrimental to mind and body. The degree and extent of the personal and/or social harm obviously varies depending on the strength of the drug, its effects and the extent of its misuse or abuse. But every instance of consuming substances which alter mind and body is harmful. Drug use is the manifestation of escapism in some cases and simple hedonism in all others. If one needs drugs of any kind to be happy, content and to enjoy life, one has a serious problem that will not be solved by altering ones mental processes. Believe me, I've tried...

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 20:14:14 BDT
I'll have whatever spin's smoking.

Posted on 29 Apr 2012 20:22:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Apr 2012 20:25:09 BDT
mister joe says:
Better get the population of anti depressants then.Its all goobledy gook.Spins starting to sound like Tom Cruise...
"Any substance legal or illegal....blah blah blah..."
Give it a rest Spin.Its boring and you are not going to get anywhere with this motley crew of ex alchys,potheads.....PLEASE make a distinction between recreational and addiction.Now have a herbal tea and listen to some Pearl Jam.
Your sweating over nothing,go pull a chick or something.And i whole heartedly disagree with every iota of your textbook sermons.By the way all your alluding to "believe i've tried..." don't wash.I am over fourteen.Clearly you "tried" but failed.

Posted on 29 Apr 2012 20:23:39 BDT
mister joe says:
by the way spin i am not endorsing being slaves to medication before you jump on that like a hyena on a carcuss

Posted on 29 Apr 2012 20:54:51 BDT
Spin. A massive percentage of people in the UK smoke weed, regardless of what the police say. Legalisation means tax and regulation. Tax means more revenue for the country more trade for the economy better quality off cannabis on offer to us in what is a free country we are falsely lead to believe ultimately reducing crime and spending on a stupid pathetic war on drugs which grow naturally in the ground... Oppose it all you like mate, you will never stop it and no one is forcing you to take it up as a habit yourself, but I would highly recommend it to you especially, might bring you out of your shackles made from false anti-weed propaganda.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 21:14:17 BDT
Spin says:
Popcorn: I'm sure you would indeed have what I am smoking, drinking, snorting or injecting. (or rather used to). But give it time and consequence and I have no doubt you will either be in a hospitable bed sucking life from a machine or you will spend your old age regretting the mistakes you made...Your life, your call, dude.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 21:19:07 BDT
'But every instance of consuming substances which alter mind and body is harmful'

That has to rank amongst the most generalised statements ever made.

Cannabis can be consumed in doses small enough not to illicit the sensation of being high whilst at the same time providing medicinal benefits.

So, how does this prove detrimental to either mind or body?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 21:51:34 BDT
Spin, throughout the whole of my cannabis smoking years I have never once felt the need to jack up that's a decision you make. no offence here but the whole gateway drug theory is a placebo for those who say 'oh yea I started by just having a few off a spliff' now I'm sorry but that does not open some imaginary door in your head telling you to put needles in your arm. I'm truly glad you gave up, you have probably saved your own life but me, I just like a smoke, takes the edge off and helps me get a good sleep. Its far better than my drinking days where in all honesty, I was MUCH more likely to end up on the slippery slope toward dependency. Cigarettes are legal, alcohol is cheap enough to ruin even the poorest of families I've witnessed it first hand, why demonise weed

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 22:27:18 BDT
Spin says:
Randalf: And cigarette smoke can be inhaled in small quanties? Heroin can be taken in small doses? "Small doses"? Dream on...Nobody indulging in drugs or alcohol does so "in small doses". "Like the new label "Drink Sensibly" on every poison...Laughable. The point of drugs is to indulge, not refrain.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 22:32:34 BDT
Spin says:
Pop: "Throughout my cannibas smoking years"... A phrase indicating that cannibas did, in fact, have an effect on you. Let me put it this way: one never truly "quits" smoking cigs. One is always addicted. It takes will-power to quit and refuse to light up again. The same is true of weed and hash. One never "quits" or "moderates". It depends on the supply and ones lifestyle. trust me, I know what I'm talking about. You guys who have the ocassional spliff see drugs as a fun, unique recreation. Not so. Why? Because you will seek it again...

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 22:43:21 BDT
Are you addicted to oxygen? Do you have a dependancy on it? I had a macdonalds last night - intend to have another at some point soon, I like macdonalds, living is an addiction, I wouldnkt keep doing it otherwise would I? Living is mind altering wouldn't you say so? The mind is a remarkable thing one of the very few things that remains private in anyones life. I will seek the use of cannabis again, not because I'm addicted, but because I want to...

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 22:51:33 BDT
Charlieost says:
Tell that to Aldous Huxley Spin, or Hunter S. Thompson or De Quinsey or Steven King who wrote most of his best stuff on coke and speed. So it is escapeism or hedonism, so what? Try sex on acid Spin, different world. And if one requires such substances to find happiness in this world then once again, so what? May I politely suggest that you go back and try again, a little harder this time.

I stopped indulging a few years back because I wanted to. But I am not going to deny the good times that I had when I did indulge. It was fun.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 22:55:21 BDT
Spin says:
Pop: "Addicted to oxygen?" Are you serious? Its dumb comments like that which add to the argument that drug-use screws up your mind... Do as you wish, if you do not respect yourself, do not blame us for trying to to get yoiur mind straight. Just do not blame us when your life goes to hell...Accept responsibility for your own decisions..

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 23:02:45 BDT
Spin says:
Charliost: I have done hash, speed, acid, coke, ecstasy and a large weight of alcohol. For every one person who writes a novel when out of his skull, there are a million losing life and self. Drugs are not a new thing on earth. Byron enjoyed drugs. but just because some have talent, does not mean one should engage in thier lifestyle. Talent is not bought. There are far more artists and scientists who put forward their ideas without drugs...(A drug-induced work is valuable only because it is drug-induced, not because it makes a valid statement about reality).

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 23:03:06 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Apr 2012 23:07:37 BDT
Dumb comments? Pot kettle black? Telling me I'm an addict because I'm going to somthing again, I can stop and have done like when I go on holiday abroad, it does not bother me. I've been to hell thanks to alcohol and can put my hand on my heart and say now cannabis is nothing at all in comparison to it. Cannabis is bad for you, there no way around that but sunbeds are bad for you, will that stop the cast of geordie shore? Cheese burgers are bad for you, will that stop an american? We are creatures of choice. We deserve freedom, if you are enough of a moron to become hooked on hard drugs that's your own daft fault but don't blame the plant.
Edit that's not a directed comment btw it looks that way I meant to say if an individual is daft enough to go all out on heroin and meth then that's their fault. I hold no sympathy

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 23:19:26 BDT
Spin says:
Pop: Not once have you given me a scientific or moral argument for the use of drugs. All you do is oppose me on your personal opinion. If you think drugs are harmless, why do people take them? A cheeseburger is bad for you but it will not alter your mind and make you act in a manner contrary to your natural state. If drugs are harmless why do feel the need to take them?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 23:30:20 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Spin. I have a moral arguement which I think gives people entitlement to use drugs and it goes as follows.
Any state which is prepared to send its young men out to die in foreign fields or deserts does not have the moral authority to forbid its citizens to get their jollies in whatever way they chose.
Moral enough for you?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2012 23:30:36 BDT
It has some medicinal properties which I don't use it for. Why do I need to take them? I don't spin, I choose to, you will probably say that is because I'm addicted and that's fine, I know I can stop, it does not dictate the rest of my life, I have a job and a family which it does not interfere with, if I felt it did I would stop. As I say, you will never stop the use of cannabis, if we can't beat it, why can't we regulate it, to ensure it is safe and not sprayed with nasty weight gain chemicals. We can tax it, I'd rather give back to society through tax than pay for my local dealers bmw X5. Its time to admit its an absolute travesty cannabis is illegal yet co-codamol is there ready to buy. Alcohol is served 24 hours a day gambling in casinos to launder dirty millions and the government puts a little logo with a support website to give you the illusion it cares.

Posted on 30 Apr 2012 00:18:34 BDT
mister joe says:
I am surprised NO ONE has mentioned the various conspiracy theories relating to how drugs find their way onto the streets of america.The whole world is messed up.How many stories every day of every minute do we hear of "sober" people committing violent atrocities?
To me the whole issue of the cliched classic smack head is all to do with money.Judges,lawyers,politicians do drugs as well.
There is NOTHING worse then the reformed druggie who has seen the light preaching their rhetoric.Getting in your car is a gamble.
No doubt about it its not advisable to develop a destructive habit but i say weed on the whole is alright.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 15:44:35 BDT
Logic matters little here as the governments are not interested in researching it anymore, the man they asked to do so said it was fine and they sacked him

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 15:47:55 BDT
Just not as much as alcohol does though eh?

Whos up for prohibition, that worked well, just as illegalising cannabis worked a treat

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 16:09:59 BDT
Pendragon says:
Thanks MH, I'll look out for it on Sky.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 16:13:34 BDT
Sprick: Why are you bringing other drugs into this? This is about cannabis only!

You clearly need to demonise cannabis by lumping it in with every other harmful substance known to man.

What have you got against any one person making up their own mind about what they do to their own body. You think that just because you had no self control that the whole world will run amock if cannabis is legalised? That's the tail wagging the dog a bit there.

Name one harmful consequence of consuming cannabis so we can all hear it then?

And seeings as you had difficulty reading what I wrote last time, give me a negative consequence of cannabis that is not smoked. Should be simple for one as omniscient as yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2012 16:38:47 BDT
Spin says:
Charliost: The state does have authority to forbid the consumption of a substance if its use causes damage to personal mental or physical health or risks the lives of others, (since it is the state which has to pay for medical care) or it is detrimental to the operation of societal economics, laws and safety. Drugs, other than pharmaceutical drugs, have never benefited society, and sending troops to war does not result in gang-wars, viiolence, prostitution, mental and physical addiction, crime and viral epidemics.
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