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Thatcher's been dead for at least an hour and no thread yet?

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Posted on 9 Apr 2013 18:57:38 BDT
Kleist says:
I think that they should wheel her round the streets of Barnsley on a sack-barrow to the tune of 'Ding Dong the Witch is Dead' and then sling her corpse down a disused mine-shaft.

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 19:20:32 BDT
athanasius says:
I object to my money being used for a near state funeral. apparantley there was no society so why should society pay for her funeral? Cremate her but then sh%*& doesnt burn does it?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 20:10:47 BDT
gille liath says:
Good point (the first part). I can't understand what she did to deserve that. It's not as though she was merely a useless, but harmless, parasite like Diana.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 22:35:10 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 22:39:13 BDT
Charlieost says:
Conservatives-The Nasty Party.

Lib Dems-Tory Collaborators.

Labour-Tory Light.

That other Nigel bunch-Tory Right.

Not a great deal of choice Margaret. C

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 22:40:59 BDT
Charlieost says:
Hi Helen. And St Pauls job was what exactly? C

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 22:46:02 BDT
He was a gamekeeper turned poacher, Charlie.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 22:50:42 BDT

Social Democratic and Labour Party

Green Party

Animals Count

Pirate Party...

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 23:09:24 BDT
Jango says:
No doubt, ATOS. In her present state, would declare her 'fit for work'

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 00:05:34 BDT
Jango says:
Yes! under the present Gov't welfare reforms, if the severely handicapped and cancer sufferers can be judged as 'fit for work'!
Why should the likes of Maggie be any different.
Being dead as a dodo is no excuse!
Malingerers will not be tolerated.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 00:31:50 BDT

I just remembered there's The SWP, branches all over the country.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 06:56:26 BDT
Fencible says:
A tent maker from Tarsus, Charlieost.

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 11:01:09 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Here's a slightly different take on the 70s to the 'Thatcher Saved Britain' view:

"The seventies were great: don't believe the myth of Thatcherism

With living standards rapidly rising, late-Seventies Britain was a great place to live. Thatcher ruined it
By Neil Clark

Monday, May 4 marks the 30th anniversary of arguably the most significant event in post-war British politics: the coming to power of Margaret Thatcher.
The dominant narrative - accepted even by many who consider themselves to be on the left - is that Britain's economy in the 1970s was in such dire straits that our country urgently needed a change of direction.
Britain, in this account, was the 'Sick Man of Europe'. The unions and inflation were out of control. Our inefficient nationalised industries were an expensive disaster. The Labour governments of 1974-79 were complete flops. The post-war mixed economy model had failed. But this narrative is a myth.
It's true that inflation hit 27 per cent in 1975, but this was largely a consequence of the Yom Kippur War oil price shock, which saw oil prices quadruple, and not a sign that the mixed economy model had collapsed.
By 1978, the British economy was rapidly improving. Inflation was down to single figures and unemployment was falling too. Productivity was rising, including in the nationalised industries. North sea oil revenues were starting to transform the balance of payments, which showed a surplus of £109m in 1977. And in December 1978 Britain recorded a massive trade surplus of £246m.

Britain was a contented society that had a healthy work-life balance
During 1978, Britain's standard of living rose by 6.4 per cent to reach its highest ever level: so much for the 'Sick Man of Europe'.
"The outlook for Britain is better than at any time in the postwar years," was the verdict, not of a Labour party propagandist, but of Chase Manhattan bank's chief European economist, Geoffrey Maynard.
Bernard Nossiter, a Washington Post journalist, argued in his 1978 book Britain- the Future that Works, that Britain, unlike the US, had created a contented society that had managed to get the balance right between work, leisure and remuneration. Far from having had enough of Labour and the post-war consensus, opinion polls show that the party would have won a General Election, had Prime Minister James Callaghan called one, as expected, for October 1978.
The so-called 'Winter of Discontent' of 1979 - which ushered in Thatcherism - is also shrouded in myth. James Callaghan never said 'Crisis, what crisis' - that was an invention of The Sun. The strikes themselves only lasted for a comparatively short period and were largely over by February 1979.
One might ask why all this matters. It does, because if we are going to break with neoliberalism, we need to shatter the myths put forward by Thatcherite ideologues. We need to understand the truth which was that the British economy performed far better 30 years ago than is commonly believed. The mixed economy model didn't fail. We were no more in need of Mrs Thatcher's 'painful medicine', than someone suffering from a common cold needs a course of chemotherapy.
Acknowledging the truth about the 1970s is important, because it means that we can then return to an economic model that served the great majority of Britons extraordinarily well for over 30 years after World War Two. It was a model under which large sections of the economy - including transport, energy and most major industries - were in public ownership; capitalism was strictly regulated and made to work for the common good and manufacturing was regarded as more important than finance.
In no other period in British history was there such a rapid rise in living standards. The gap between rich and poor was significantly reduced. As the One Nation Tory Harold Macmillan, one of the architects of the post-war consensus, famously declared, we never had it so good.
Since 1979 we have followed a very different economic path: one of deregulation, privatisation and allowing 'market forces' to rule the roost. And we all know where that has led us."

Read more:

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 11:05:14 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Apr 2013 11:05:29 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Also, a friend of mine, following on from Ken Livingstone's damning indictment on the Thatcher years, posted this on another forum:

"Whenever i think of Thatcher's economics i think of the Mumbai railways. For years the tributaries of the extended Mumbai network were loss making lines that served poor suburbs (slums). These smaller lines were kept going because the Indian government felt that even the poorest without prospects had the right to transport links to the centre of Mumbai. For years, they remained run-down, unreliable and a burden on public resources. Then India began to experience strong economic growth, opportunities arose and because of the existence of the railway line, the people of these slums/suburbs were able to take advantage and find work in the city. Soon the lines became popular and busy and eventually the areas they served became attractive to people looking to live near the city. After a decade of economic change, the lines became profit making and in the final economic analysis, the benefits of the new revenues and the contribution of the infrastructure to the local economy far out stripped the costs of subsidising the lines for all those years. Thatcher would have closed them down."

Anyone mentioning Beeching will have missed his point.

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 11:39:24 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Finally (I won't post it because it's quite long) there is a good article on Thatcher from Russell Brand (no, really) writing in the Grauniad. He's the same age as me and I can relate to a lot of what he says on the subject:

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 14:41:59 BDT
Pipkin says:
You are right... there is no choice...
All self seeking meglomaniacs, interchangeable heads on the same puppet, whose strings are pulled by the same puppet masters?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 14:45:46 BDT
Pipkin says:
hahaha Spot on Dave.

ATOS told my Husband he was fit for work... and he did for another year...but then couldn't even walk, and one day collapsed and was rushed into hospital for an emergency operation on his spine. Had he been able to leave it another month he would have been paralised for life, or even dead???

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 14:48:43 BDT
Pipkin says:
Thanks for this information Dan. I knew it but couldn't find it all.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 15:30:46 BDT
Johnnydub says:
This is sad bollocks

Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher did.
Thatcher offered the miners a generous package as she didn't want a strike - Scargill did and rejected it... Remember him, the guy that the NUM are now suing to try to kick him out of the million pound flat the NUM pays for...

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 16:29:31 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Apr 2013 16:31:33 BDT
kraka says:
My recollections of being born during the war and growing up in the post war years up to Thatcher becoming prime minister gives me a yardstick by which to compare the before and after. She destroyed Britain's communities by introducing greed and individualism. Prior to her reign society was much more closely knit having learnt the values of comradship and co-operation during the war, even the workplace was pleasurable in that employers were very congenial, considerate, respectful and humane towards their employees. Serious crime and murder amongst Kids was unheard of and as her policies took effect social consciousness turned away from community to the demands of making more and more money in a workplace that had by comparison become heartless. Kids became victims of this transformation as many family's became dysfunctional society had lost it's cohesion. If there is an indictment to be made against the political policies then it is that it has created a society who's children can frequently resort to suicide and murdering each other. She created the way to where we are now and prior to that life and society was richer, more nurturing place for kids to flourish. WELCOME TO RIP OFF BRITAIN.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 16:44:49 BDT
Fencible says:
The High Court ruling established that 'King' Arthur, not the NUM, must meet the £34,000 annual bill for his (3 bedroom) flat in the Barbican. NUM lawyers also successfully denied liability for Scargill's fuel allowance for his home in Barnsley and the cost of preparing his annual tax return. King Arthur's right to have the NUM pay for the upkeep of his security system for his Barnsley residence was upheld. Following the ruling Chris Kitchen, General Secretary of the NUM, observed to Scargill that: 'The NUM is not your personal bank account and never will be again.' Hard times for Champagne Stalinists!

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 16:52:14 BDT
easytiger says:
Easy to demonise a person who at the time realised Britain had to change. Funny how if you are left, the chance to go out on your own and make a few quid becomes 'destroying communities by introducing greed and individualism'. Most of the posts are of the same ilk; twisting or twisted. Don't know where the perfect postwar society was, especially the 70's. Skinheads, strikes and o'level revision by candle light.
If she had died during the closing stages of Callaghan's reign she would still be in a freezer in a hospital as the pickets on the gates wouldn't have let her out and anyway the gravediggers were on strike. Like it or not she gave us back a government in charge.

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 18:27:51 BDT
left whingers call the tory party the nasty party. you've proved yourselves to be the nasty voters.

shame on you all.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 18:41:34 BDT
John, well said:

1900..............3,384 mines







Hilda closed them all.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Apr 2013 18:42:21 BDT
Well said.
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