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Are peaceful protests a waste of time?

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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 08:16:21 BDT
I disagree that policies are solely chosen because of the people's desires, were that to be the case we would not have gone to wars, we would not have a lop sided extradition treaty with America, we would have harder sentencing for criminals where life actually means life imprisonment, we would have had all the expense fiddling politicians sacked and prosecuted as well as the the ones that allowed for us to bail out rbs but then sell the profitable portion to virgin whilst keeping the toxic part.

Getting a u turn on the pastie tax is not what most people are concerned about

Posted on 6 Jun 2012 08:47:41 BDT
I would say yes, I've only been on two and the trouble is they weren't particularly large in number. When the government looks at it - if x amount of people protest against y, they will always be a 'minority' and so they won't do (or not do) something based on what the minority wants.
But then I don't think violent protests are the way to go either - it'll just seem as negative press against the protestors i.e. do you really want to support a band of destructive thugs.
Protests are a waste of time generally imo. Stand up for what you believe in by all counts, but don't expect anyone to listen and/or care.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 08:54:16 BDT
The whole point of standing up for something is to affect those around you to firstly observe and accept and then to change if the don't already hold the same values.

I don't think sitting idlely just believing in the right thing is better than protesting if that is what must be done first, a protest should always come before further action if the subject is important enough IMO.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 10:29:08 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 10:29:58 BDT
Defenceman says:
Simon TFB,

'Dear Groomoes....the thread is about whether peaceful demonstrations are any use...I have been on about fifty.....none made any '

Is there an echo in your skull, where your brain should be? You've already asked this once.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 10:38:35 BDT
David...yes...that is what I typed....I have been on about 50 peaceful are not good with semantics are you? two not peaceful ones....the not peaceful ones both achieved their objectives. Case proven...for me...not for you cos you sittoes on a pooofy and pontificate...Groomy never does anything....

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 10:42:31 BDT
What you are advocating for is bullying and not debating, this will make you look like the bad guy even if you are right.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 11:07:30 BDT
KK...please explain.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 11:17:19 BDT
Hello Simon

That post was a response to david groom where he posted "Yeah, but a good old argument with myriads of facts to dazzle the opposition is so much fun. Easy, but fun." but it equally applies to you as well when you are also putting down other posters. I notice your interactions with Gordon is almost friendly but I can't say the same for you with David groom.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jun 2012 11:40:46 BDT
KK....thank you.

Posted on 6 Jun 2012 20:47:46 BDT
Spin says:
Protests only occur when a people have nothing to lose and everything to gain... Europes population resort to meaningless parades of discontent...and then return home to tell everyone on the internet before turning on the TV, games console, or their partner....

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 14:39:39 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
The demo in question was ignored because they represented a tiny number of people with nothing useful to say.
You cannot sensibly extrapolate from that that peaceful protests are a waste of time, merely that the irrelevant will be ignored.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 15:00:16 BDT
Dear Doctor jeepoes...please list all the peaceful protests that have created a change.

Thank you

The Fount

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 16:34:03 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
By protests, do you mean people wandering about in the street shouting and waving things, or are you prepared to include things that actually use democratic methods?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 21:49:05 BDT
Dear Jeep....a protest = a group of people, more than five, shouting and waving placards.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 22:18:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jun 2012 11:40:33 BDT
I seem to remember that Mao TseTung wrote in his Little Red Book that:- "Political power comes out the barrel of a gun." Stalin is remembered for the classic:- "No people no problem." These two men knew a thing or two about the reality of power; Stalin smashed Nazism's bid for world supremacy and Mao created the first Eurasian superpower, Red China. As to 'peaceful protest', its permitted precisely because it achieves nothing. If you disagree compare the 'peaceful protests' in Libya to the 'mass insurrection' that swept British cities last year. The British Government sent several RAF squadrons to strafe/bomb Libyan police/army units, thus preventing them from putting down their rioting mobs. At almost the same time, the same British Government deployed para-military units to quell the 'mass rioting/looting' by similarly disaffected mobs in Britain and is still hunting down/punishing those involved BUT, imagine the situation which might have developed if China, Russia or perhaps America? had deployed squadrons of attack aircraft to strafe/bomb those 'British bobbies' as (like their Libyan counterparts?) they attempted to 'protect the populace'. That's the power of organised/targeted violence as opposed to peacefull protest.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2012 22:47:36 BDT
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gille liath says:
"I disagree that policies are solely chosen because of the people's desires,"

I never said that. However you have to remember that even if a million people protest (as was claimed over Iraq), 59 million didn't. What I'm saying is that govts do what they feel they can get away with; and whether you like it or not, the u-turn over the pasty tax proves it, and proves that that *is* what most people are concerned about.

(I'm being slightly facetious there. The more committed a govt is to a course of action, and the more important it thinks that course is, the more opposition there will have to be before it changes. Pasty tax it obviously felt it could do without. Even a very large, very vocal minority may be ignored if the govt is confident it *is* a minority - as was the case at the time of the Iraq invasion, even though they may be a majority now. When it comes to petrol, on the other hand, they feel the protesters represent a much larger constituency, which is why they tend to cave in.)

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jun 2012 14:59:35 BDT
Pipkin says:
Absolutely spot on post. Well done!!!
How do you account for there being some people who cannot see this? Do you think they've already been chipped?

Posted on 10 Jun 2012 08:05:02 BDT
Reply to Ms Phelan.

Adolf Hitler once said:- "By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise." Our young people today are subject to propaganda far more sophisticated than Hitler/Stalin's for six hours every day whilst at school and another six+ from the TV/Entertainment industry whilst at home. Bearing that fact in mind, we can hardly blame them for being unable to see through the lies/corruption of modern 'politics' in the Western World.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 08:06:14 BDT
Molly Brown says:
How about Ghandi........or the US Civil Rights Movement?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 08:29:21 BDT
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Reply to Ms Brown.

Ghandi was so much an 'Establishment' figure that he was permitted to enjoy a long sexual relationship with Edwina, the jewish wife of Earl Mountbatten. Similarly the vast bulk of the funding which supported the US Civil Rights Movement was clandestinely provided by the US Gov't and many of the early activists were actually American Secret Service agents. By contrast Jörg Haider the charismatic right-wing Austrian political leader died (was murdered?) in a very suspicious 'car crash' in the early hours of 11 October 2008, after which his memory was subject to a vicious defamation campaign. Haider's widow totally denies that her husband was gay, and also questions the official Police account of the accident.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 08:32:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Jun 2012 11:53:05 BDT
Molly Brown says:
You can call me Moll, it's far less formal.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 08:37:58 BDT
Thank you Moll.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 08:45:13 BDT
You can make your speech, but you can't make anyone listen to it. Unless you do what I say, of course.


In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jun 2012 14:45:21 BDT
Pipkin says:
Excellent post CW, information I was not aware of. Although I am familiar with the CoinTelPro arm of the American Secret Service who infiltrate everything to get information, or move things in the direction they want. (Although they have supposedly been disbanded... I believe they just function under aother name now.) And am not at all surpirsed about the defamation of Jorg Haider, after his death.
It is always so refreshing to read people who have their eyes open.
As you say our young people have been been brainwashed by all the propaganda pumped out every minute of their lives. My concern is that they might never open their eyes and will fall into step all too readily to be chipped. That is why I 'bother' to write on these threads, in the hope that some of the information I publish might just flip the switch, and make them seek for themselves. I don't hold out much hope though, judging from a lot of the replies. The truth seems to enrage some people, and they become aggressive and rude, which makes the blinkers even harder to remove..
By the way it's Mrs. and has been for 47 years.... call me Margaret, Maggie, or Mags; oh and some friends call me Margo.
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