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Being a successful communist in the capitalist world - Working with reality.


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In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 21:44:12 BDT
Spin says:
Gille: "I see" said the Blind man, "a hole in the wall".
"You're a liar" said the Dummy, "You can't see at all".

=)

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 21:55:45 BDT
Simon, Gille 'knows' through observation, that every attempt at communism (outside textbook fantasies and those in yours and Spin's heads) has resulted in totalitarianism and eventual collapse of the system. And he makes the reasonable assumption, arguably, that the next time it happens the outcome won't be any different to last time.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 22:24:25 BDT
TomC says:
"Societal beliefs that will take more than a few of my posts to rectify.."

Well, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that we're all looking forward to that!

No?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 22:53:45 BDT
Spin says:
Tom: I doubt that any argument, no matter how evidential, will change your mind. What you need is a dose of life and reality, not website forums.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 23:03:48 BDT
TomC says:
"What you need is a dose of life and reality, not website forums."

Ah yes - because the only one who actually has a life is you, right?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2012 23:15:06 BDT
Spin, you are a great belly laugh.

Irony!!!!

About as much self awareness as a plank of dead wood.

Posted on 10 May 2012 00:52:03 BDT
David Rudd says:
Political ideologies? Take your pick. Some are nasty and some seem quite nice, but the best of the best of them will never do any more than help us to muddle on through.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 12:41:03 BDT
gille liath says:
Yes, some are bad and the others are worse. Communism is indisputably in the 'worse' column.

Which makes it more than usually ironic, Spin, for you to talk about 'a dose of reality'. No-one with a grasp of reality could extol communism, unless they were either a power junkie or a masochist.

What has to be recognised (and I've said it before but apparently I have to say it again) is that the failures of communism in the past to deliver what it promised are not accidental but systemic:

a) Violent revolutions generate more violence, leading ultimately to pogroms and state terror.
b) It's not possible to give people a choice about communism; it's all in or all out. That means you have to have a totalitarian regime, and the first priority of totalitarian regimes is to keep themselves in power at whatever cost to the people they are supposed to be serving.

So, unfortunately, this fairyland of everyone pursuing free expression and no-one exploiting anyone else remains just that: fairyland.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 17:45:26 BDT
Really good post Spin, totally agree, Propoganda kinda pushes the west towards those beliefs. There will be a choice between communism and anarchy soon, lets hope that communism prevails. Capitalism, or at least as we know it, is doomed and ultimately unsustainable.

Posted on 10 May 2012 17:53:19 BDT
David Rudd says:
It would be nice to have a choice. The techno-whatsinames are way ahead of (or is it a world apart from) our old 'ologies.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 19:42:09 BDT
gille liath says:
Thought we were laying off the predictions of doom...?

Posted on 10 May 2012 19:58:32 BDT
David Rudd says:
Yes. I think I became quite addled at university after reading Norman Cohn's, 'The Pursuit of the Millenium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages'. It put the possibility of cataclysm into my mind. Those medieval barm-pots were always reading the signs of the times - but never got it quite right. Our still being here proves that. But still, I wonder...

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 20:07:45 BDT
gille liath says:
I guess if you keep predicting something for long enough it might eventually come true; even - maybe - Liverpool winning the League.

Posted on 10 May 2012 20:14:11 BDT
David Rudd says:
I want to think happy thoughts, really. Perhaps if I keep saying that we ought to be nice to each other - which I have said on a few posts lately - it might happen!

Posted on 10 May 2012 21:57:58 BDT
You know something, SARTRE WAS RIGHT!
People on prescription drugs. People on illegal drugs. People on religion. People peddling so-called new-age claptrap. People peddling old-age claptrap. Believers in ghosts. Believers in spirits. Believers in some form of universal truth. Believers that all men are created equal? All deranged.

The young are helpless and naive and the old often appear gullible. Wisdom may come with age, but it also needs a bit of practice as well. Those who have relied on others throughout their lives are hardly likely to suddenly acquire oracle-like insight as their minds descend into the nightmare of dementia.

But, young or old, the continued existence of absurd beliefs in provable untruths is astonishing unless you also see human nature for what it really is. Opportunistic, simplistic and fundamentally selfish. Tribally we may form associations and alliances for life but our apparent altruism is often revealed to be based on self-interest or just blind instinct. So, much for the milk of human kindness.

There are many kind souls, yes, but their moderate voices get drowned out amidst the clamour for attention of the multitudes who refuse to display any sense of personal responsibility. And the rest of us are treading water, waiting for the day the floods recede... not any day soon it appears.

So, while we're all really busy - making money, taking money, being deluded, being feeble, being kind, being stupid - the idiot political classes engage in their own set of delusional behaviours. David Cameron is implicated in - gosh - party fund-raising, while the Labour lot feign apoplexy as if cash-for-questions never happened. The government increase taxation and decrease spending and the opposition attack that strategy before saying they would do the same. Meanwhile a lefty idiot tweets that she rejoiced on believing Margaret Thatcher had died and we Righty idiots get all pompous about it. Yes, the country is in dire economic straits, by all accounts, but people still have plenty of time to spread dirt and gossip.

Despite all that you might want - or even need - to believe in, the truth is much more simple. There IS no big conspiracy. There IS no right way to govern. There IS no single set of magic measures to make it all better. But one thing's for certain, if you sit around waiting for somebody else to sort out your life you're gonna end up with one mighty sore arse.

Communism? Capitalism? Totalitarianism?

All human, all human.

No change there then.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 10:03:22 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hello Mr Martin,
An extremely cynical, but generally true post, which I really enjoyed reading, and yes - all living things by nature selfishly aim to survive at any cost.
The only thing I do disagree with is your statement ''That there is no big conspiracy'' because IMO all Governments (who incidentally p**s in the same pot regardless of ''Party.'') conspire constantly with the Moneid Elite to remove, add and adjust laws to suit themselves, and assure that their 'friends' get the lion's share of the world's resources.
I think it is very important, if we are to improve this world, to replace and apply checks and balances on all who express extreme selfishness, and corruption.
For example the first thing Clinton did when he got into power was to remove the Glass Stegal Law, which allowed Financial Institutions to indulge in immoral acts like bungling Toxic Debts together with Tripple AAA Debt and sell them worldwide. This single act, imo, responsible totally for causing the financial mess that the world is in at the moment. And Ca'moron's' reward for Murdoch's assistance in becoming Prime Minister, was to remove the Cross Media Ownership Laws to enable him to aquire and control a greater portion of the Media, but 'fortunately' someone managed to put a spoke in that one.......The do da is really hitting the fan, and the extent of the rot is gradually being revealed. Unfortunately it is such a slow process that the majority of people have lost interest. They just couldn't care less, and haven't a clue about the importance of what has been happening. I find it fascinating to watch Murdoch and Co trying to weedle their way out of this; and sadly they will succeed... because it is in Ca'moron' and all the rest of the politician's interest to keep it covered.
As you say; Communism, Capitalism, Totalitarianism, it's all the same to the average Joe. Nothing changes. We still have to rise in the morning and tote that bale for peanuts. Just get on with it unless, as you say, you are willing to get off your backside and make a difference.
Regards,
Margaret.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 10:11:19 BDT
Thats a stance you oppose on another forum you idiot

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 10:17:10 BDT
True they are Gille. WW2?? What state did Britain find itself in temporarily? COMMUNISM --- rations, sharing air shelters, it brought us all together as a strong upstanding community. Anarcho-communism would be similar in so many aspects, much fairer and would bring about progress both socially and economically. Natural state of huminty is communism or anarchy depending on how you look at it. Capitalism is a man-made machine which will not last forever. Like it or not, we humans don't take to change very well, so it would take a major catastrophe (like another world war) to bring about any changes --- but this is iminant.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 13:34:07 BDT
gille liath says:
Except for the crucial point that we remained a democracy. I do rather wish you would stop hoping for a catastrophe to prove yourself right. You know what they say, be careful what you wish for...

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 14:02:03 BDT
You must understand Gille, I dont want a catastrophe, nor can I say one is going to happen. Tensions are high at the mo. North Korea looks dubious and generally speaking all of the rest of the world (generalisation) hate, yes hate the UK along with the US. We are weak atm, economically speaking. Countries like China, India etc are on the grow. How long before they realise that we DEPEND on them? What happens then?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:17:23 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hi PP,
I know you didn't ask this question generally, but I would like to answer it, and say that imo the same thing will happen now, that happened with Japan - nothing....
When I was a kid everything was made in Japan, cars, toys, electronics, because they worked for peanuts. Now they are on a par with us, more or less, so Marks and Spencer and the rest are having stuff made in India and China. Once they get up to speed, we'll be buying from Africa or the Congo etc.. Don't worry about it. Sooner or later I hope we will all be on a level playing field.
Think on this; the only reason we depend on anyone now, is because Thatcher and her cronies, shipped all their businesses out of England to the cheapest contractors. Coal, Steel, Textiles, even food. Made not a jot of difference that the people working in the Nike and M & S sweat shops were children of ten and their parents working for 50p a week. That's the harsh reality of consumerism. How in God's name can it be cheaper to import food that we grow here? Unless someone is being sha*ted.
I believe we are too dependent on the US; as someone else said - 'where they go we follow.' They have too tight grip on our short and curlies, and it is they who are the Paraih, not us. We should never have let them use us as an Aircraft Carrier, and buy us with their Motor Trade. And how can the world ever forget the sycophantic ''Special Relationship'' between Thatcher and the imbecile Reagan, which Ca'moron' has continued with Obama. Idiot that he is..........
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall, and know what it is that they hold over us, that we can't shake them off.
Regards
Margaret

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 16:42:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 May 2012 16:42:32 BDT
"Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall, and know what it is that they hold over us, that we can't shake them off." - Call me a blue bottle but I think its relativley straight forward. Military strength is what you are looking for.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 18:17:53 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya PP,
Of course.....

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 19:16:14 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 May 2012 19:17:29 BDT
Spin says:
Tom: Unlike some, my life, in thought and action, does not revolve around long-dead civilisations, cultures and beliefs. I interact with the world as it is, not as it was or how I want it to be.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 19:51:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 11 May 2012 19:51:31 BDT
gille liath says:
Well, we depend on each other. China would be nowhere without the West buying their consumer goods: the beauty of capitalism...?

"Military strength is what you are looking for."

You got that right; but maybe we should be happy they're on our side, more or less.
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