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Who started the 'cold war'?


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Initial post: 16 May 2013 16:50:06 BDT
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Posted on 16 May 2013 18:40:56 BDT
kraka says:
Cold war?............done and dusted 100+%

Can we now move up to the present..HERE AND NOW? as this is where we are all living.

The past is as dead as the dodo.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 19:57:13 BDT
TomC says:
I thought you'd given up on history, Simon ?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 20:08:36 BDT
kraka...the past never dies...in your head.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 20:08:59 BDT
Given up....since when?....

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 22:47:24 BDT
kraka says:
Simon "THE FOUNT" Boyd

Simon my friend, wait until you are freezing with the cold and see if you can warm yourself by the fire that kept you warm as a child. No all our yesterdays are truly dead, if you want to keep a corpse alive in your head, be my guest.

This moment, here and now, is the only moment you will ever have in which to act and effect a change. All the rest is just fantasy, you can in no wise change what has already past. Don't waste time...live it.

Posted on 17 May 2013 00:14:34 BDT
Wasn't that John F. Kennedy who started the Cold War against Russia and an embargo against Cuba??

Posted on 17 May 2013 00:16:26 BDT
When a Smoker stops smoking - it usually means he's dead from Lung Cancer!

Posted on 17 May 2013 07:40:32 BDT
MarmiteMan says:
Actually, it was always a typo never corrected by The Media. It was started by Britain in 1958 over some fishereries dispute with Iceland. There was another incident in 1972; I gather the RN deployed a couple of Resolution-class submarines around the island ...

Posted on 17 May 2013 08:12:05 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 May 2013 08:13:53 BDT
Not long after the end of WW2 a Russian Embassy employee, based in Canada, approached the Americans with secret info. This was the beginning of the wider world recognising a 'cold war' in progress.
State employee's more clued in had known for years.
During WW2 as the Americans invented Nukes, one of the scientists, Claus Fuchs, was spying and immediately sent the new research to the USSR.
They were allies - but only upto a point.

As for the cold war being dead....
A CIA guy was arrested a few days ago in Moscow....

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 09:38:19 BDT
It probably was - after all he was the one who said 'Ich bin ein Berliner'.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 09:45:16 BDT
Which translated apparently means "I am a small tasty biscuit."

Posted on 17 May 2013 09:51:53 BDT
So no one in this discussion actually wants to discuss the Cold War....?
It's blatant that none of you have read so much as a leaflet on the subject and you are now happy to chit chat about trivia.
Enjoy yourselves, it'll soon be time for you all to watch Jeremy Kyle.
Wa nkers

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 09:53:31 BDT
Dan Fante says:
That was the height of the Cold War rather than the beginning.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 10:05:38 BDT
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TomC says:
It's probably more accurate to say that no one wants to join a discussion on the Cold War started by a bloke who thinks that North Korea is a paradise, with the participation of a few self-appointed comedians.

Come back in a few hours. Simon Schama will be dropping in for tea.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 10:36:05 BDT
Or did he say 'Ich bin ein Hamburger'?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 15:57:10 BDT
Spin says:
Simon: Who started the Cold war? Marx.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 16:15:03 BDT
Ah yes, freedonia...?...?...

Posted on 17 May 2013 17:05:30 BDT
Spin says:
Isn't a "Cold war" still raging? The commies are replaced by the muslims...The odd battle here and there hides an underlying conflict...

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 17:14:35 BDT
UKIP?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 17:16:18 BDT
Oh no! JFK was a good guy...he saved the Planet, ask Simone's pal Ollie Stone.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 17:21:03 BDT
Beloved..have you been keeping up with Mr Stone's fine, fine, documentary?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:17:34 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 May 2013 18:21:26 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hi Hugo,
No.. The political and military tension that existed between the West and the Soviet Union-began soon after the end of World War II, and was referred to as The Cold War..
Joseph Stalin undermined United State policies in Europe by playing capitalists against capitalists, while at the same time seeking to gain a strong foothold in as many nations as possible in Eastern Europe.
By 1947, the Soviets were determined to extend their Communist hold on countries in Eastern Europe. But the United States and Britain were equally determined to contain communism and limit its expansion.
The Truman Doctrine - marked the beginning of the West active role to limit the spread of communism by helping countries who wanted to resist Stalin. The Marshall Plan was an attempt to help rebuild countries in Europe to stave off communist leanings and appeals.
The Soviets succeeded in grabbing Czechoslovakia through a coup d'état. It was brutal and frightening to the West, who doubled their efforts to help Western Europe, Greece, and Turkey.
Berlin which was divided after WWII between West and East became the dividing line. The Soviets setup a blockage that prevented the West from having access to the West Berlin. An airlift of food and provisions was begun. The airlift succeeded with the West Berliners voting to stay with the West, but the East remained under communist control. Thus, the Cold War between the West and East was official. The Cold War continued until 1991....
American conservatives give credit for the Cold War's end to Ronald Reagan, but both Reagan and Gorbachev played big roles in ending the Cold War.
Reagan's contribution to ending the Cold War was important - but not in the way conservatives would have us believe. Negotiations - not military confrontation - constituted the core of his strategy for dealing with the Soviets, and he relentlessly pursued them throughout his presidency. Indeed, his military build up was intended to create incentives for the Soviets to negotiate significant arms reductions by eliminating or reducing their advantage in various weapons categories. When Gorbachev became the first Soviet leader to engage him directly, Reagan put aside his overheated rhetoric about "The Evil Empire'' and engaged Gorbachev with respect.
In a speech at the UN in December 1988, Gorbachev left no doubt. He abandoned the concept of "international class struggle'' that had underpinned Soviet foreign policy, discarded the Brezhnev Doctrine, and renounced the use or threat of force to resolve conflicts.
Gorbachev announced unilateral measures to reduce the country's armed forces by 500,000 troops and to withdraw 50,000 soldiers from Eastern Europe. In the words of Soviet scholar Archie Brown, he effectively willed the end of communist regimes in Eastern Europe.
Unlike his predecessors, Gorbachev understood that the Soviet Union could never advance economically if it continued to devote 20% of gross national product and 40% of its deficit-ridden budget to military spending.
Both leaders were products of a bitter, decades-long enmity stemming from the very core of their national identities, yet the two men looked beyond their expected roles in preserving the adversarial relationship between the two Superpowers and their polarized ideologies, and took giant steps toward peace and cooperation for the sake of their own people and the world.
So history says.
Then came the Bush Clan, and Reds Under the Bed were replaced by Muslim Terrorists?
Regards,
Margaret.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 May 2013 01:39:13 BDT
By the Bush Clan (do you mean the shrub?) :-) Thfirst shrub was intelligent but the latter one had a job trying to string more than four words together when he was speaking publicly on TV. His silencers every four words put me off him as a good public speaker. I got the feeling that he was one of those politicians that privately hit the bottle when he could get away from the media.

Posted on 18 May 2013 01:51:14 BDT
Margaret, that was a really succinct commentary on the Cold War - Thank You! I missed most of what it was about since I was born in 1941 so trying to understand what was going on from this side of the 'pond' in England was difficult Occasionally we would get to know incidents like the shootings at Waco and the KKK doing their thing. Today, of course, the media and the internet has brought news closer to home and we get news from all over the world these days - sometimes I find it a bit of an overkill in media journalism. When I reached thirteen I had my own problems in that my mother was diagnosed of abdominal Carcinoma which was aggressive. I acted as the 'mule' between the Family Doctor and the chemist bringing little phials of six grains of morphine back for the doctor to administer it. Eighteen months later after my mother's death My father died of Loblar pneumonia, though I think he died of a broken heart and missing his wife. Its been a hard but eventful life and I have learned much. Will that knowledge be of use to me when Its my turn to die I wonder?
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