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How do children benefit from learning history?


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Posted on 14 May 2013, 19:18:24 BST
I am no expert on history, (are there many). But it seems that they are all written to flatter a point that wasn't really significant to those at the time. To give it resonance to a more modern audience. That a particular battle was a defining point in the creation of a true democracy, or vital stand against fascism. These are all a little depressing. From a British perspective, the Spanish Armada, or the Gunpowder plot are significant event (from a modern person). But I imagine at the time they were just another sad little event of religious intolerance. Each/Every country has their favourite moment of history, breaking free from colonial power, or exercising military might that is viewed as a defining moment. However, I imagine that all of them were tainted with rather more realpolitik, and the result of party in fighting.
The French were trying to keep England from interfering in European wars, and so decided to stir up trouble in the colonies. But does this part of history receive it's due.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013, 09:51:05 BST
Pipkin says:
Hi Pc,
As you say winners always write history. **Most colonial elites immediately rewrote history to turn their struggle for power against other groups in the country into a liberation struggle against the British, who in general were leaving anyway**
I agree totally, that the British 'Crown' left: but not before ensuring that all their business interests were secured?
Non the less, without the writing, reading and knowledge of History, we wouldn't know where we came from, how we got to where we are now, and be able to make better choices for the future. Sadly I believe that successive Government's have written off vast swathes of people, when making their choices. (Not just ours) They are not even factored into their equations, as they calculate first and foremost, what is in it for them only.
That is why we are in such a mess at the moment. imo.
All of History is vitally important... not just our own... if we are to fully understand the rest of the people we inhabit this world with, and achieve any sort of peace.
regards,
Margaret.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013, 13:43:18 BST
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Charlieost says:
Hi PC. Ireland being a particular bad example since the Brits in power like that ballax Churchill did all they could to cling on.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013, 13:41:12 BST
Charlieost says:
So this post is an attempt to educate yourself Simon. Fair play to you.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 21:21:44 BST
Spin says:
PC; History is always being re-interpreted and re-written. Because of the non-existence of the past, so to speak, our knowledge of the past, and thus our knowledge of ourselves, can only progress in stages; stages which are developed from our knowledge of what might be a false view of the past, but an essential intellectual endeavour without which we would never get to the truth behind historical events and practices.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 21:16:18 BST
P. C. Owen says:
And indeed, there is the story of a particular spin on history as opposed to understanding what is the evidence for history, which can be all around one.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 21:03:17 BST
Spin says:
PC; Indeed. But you are talking of written, political history; a subject that attracts most people. Not many are interested in the history f architecture or cottage industry... "History" is wide field of study encompassing every aspect of life, not just the major events in the worlds political arena. Teaching children history teaches them to isolate, question, research and conclude. But to "grab their attention" we teach them the exciting aspects of world history; only in later years do we find ourselves attracted to a particular subject such that our interest demands our knowledge of its history as well as its current theory and practice.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 20:56:17 BST
P. C. Owen says:
The winners write history; sometimes before they've won. Children benefit because they become aligned with the winners easing their transition into society. Most colonial elites immediately rewrote history to turn their struggle for power against other groups in the country into a liberation struggle against the British, who in general were leaving anyway because Empires in the style of the late 19th Century are expensive. See Pakistan or Kenya for particularly good examples.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 20:55:35 BST
Spin says:
Do you want future lawyers, politicians, scientists and public servants knowing nothing of the past? If so, the nation would be as stagnant as most third world nations are today. The history of all aspects of life is essential to the knowledge that contributes to the development of a society.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 20:53:22 BST
Dear Chaz...you mean the intelligent option..."I don't know".

Posted on 12 May 2013, 20:32:37 BST
Charlieost says:
Because history helps us to know where we are and how we got here. It locates us. For children, the fact that in the past they would not have had access to education unless they came from the moneyed classes is particularly important. Not appreciated in some cases perhaps but important just the same.

So Simon. Are you for or agin it or with your usual third option, would you prefer to prevaricate? C

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 19:49:47 BST
Shrek says:
It was just a smart ar$e comment SPJ looked up, and liked the look of. There are hundreds of such quotes from famous folk Online, some claiming history is bunk others claiming those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Take your pick.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 19:42:56 BST
Shrek says:
Damn it man...you were a child once upon a time (or were you?), and you learnt history...all about the Brutish Empire...which enabled you to start threads on here saying why you are ashamed to be British. Therefore if you hadn't learn't history you'd be ignorant of the Brutish Empire and wouldn't be able to comment how ashamed it makes you feel to be British.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 19:20:01 BST
TomC says:
Hi Roma,

No, I think that was probably from Frank Richards: a literary giant who profoundly influenced my prose style.

"Yarooooooh!"
"Hah! Hah! Hah!"

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 17:14:01 BST
Tony...wise words...thank you....

Knowledge + understanding = wisdom.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 16:29:55 BST
Kleist says:
I suppose the question involves the further question: do we always benefit from knowing?

If someone were to remain blissfully happy all of their lives and had never heard of the Holocaust, whereas learning about it would have made them unhappy (or at least more unhappy), wouldn't they be better off not knowing?

I think they ought to know. I suppose it depends upon what you think of as a benefit. I think knowing and understanding is a benefit, even if it brings no further results to ones life.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 16:18:13 BST
Roma says:
Hi
I was asked last week to visit a 5th year pupil to help her prepare for her Higher English. One of the poems she was studying was Shooting Stars by Carol Ann Duffy. This girl had never heard of the Holocaust and was completely shocked when I explained the background to this poem was the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis in Concentration Camps. She asked me, "But why would they do that?" Maybe the problem is that children are not taught enough history ; maybe they just don't listen ; or maybe fact and fiction are becoming more difficult to tell apart. Who knows?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 16:10:35 BST
Roma says:
Hi Tom
"Time to stop, old bean." You didn't pick that up from The Broons, did ya?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 15:56:21 BST
Kleist says:
Makes you wonder why he spent so much time studying it, lecturing on it and writing about it doesn't it? Lectures on the Philosophy of World History (Cambridge Studies in the History and Theory of Politics)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 15:42:55 BST
Damn it man...read the thread title and your daft reply...see the nonsense.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 15:12:27 BST
S. P. Jones says:
The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.

Freidrich Hegel.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:21:13 BST
Kleist says:
They get to know something about the past.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:10:43 BST
Shrek says:
Eh?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:00:46 BST
Beloved...stick to the topic.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:00:21 BST
Wyan...I asked a question...can you answer it?
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