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True British values.


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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013, 18:53:15 BST
E. White says:
No, I live in Essex...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013, 09:20:38 BST
Shrek says:
Hello Gardscadden,

Are you an Australian?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013, 08:14:08 BST
Shrek says:
Oh. I await his retort...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013, 05:58:26 BST
As the fount suspected...E.White lives in words...

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013, 22:20:02 BST
Last edited by the author on 11 Aug 2013, 22:57:41 BST
E. White says:
"intelligence... beyond words... labels... awaken please."

Sounds like mysticism to me. Unfortunately I don't really deal in mysticism, enlightenment, or the eternal quest for spiritual gnosis. Give me cold, hard, rationalist logic mixed with a good dose of empiricist, philosophical materialism any day. Well, almost any day; I like a bit of fantasy every now and again. What perplexes me is how mystical thinking will aid me in my comprehension of what "true British values" are... Maybe I should meditate on the issue.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013, 22:07:20 BST
Shrek says:
<<Intelligence beyond words>>. Oh "THE FUNBOY ONE's" a poet.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013, 22:05:34 BST
Shrek says:
Ooooooooooooooh errrrrrrrrrrrrr missus.

Perhaps E. White is agreeing with you.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013, 18:20:47 BST
E. White...this debate requires intelligence...beyond words...labels....awaken please.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013, 13:10:39 BST
Last edited by the author on 11 Aug 2013, 13:15:13 BST
E. White says:
How are you defining what "true" British values are ? Are they those of the Thatcherite elite in 1980s Britain, who believed fervently in the privatisation of all and sundry ? Or perhaps the value systems of the factory workers in the Victorian era ? Or those of Henry VIII and his royal court, who were used to executing anyone disagreeing with them ? Or are they those of Neolithic Britain, when people got together to erect Stonehenge and sacrifice a load of animals to ancestral spirits or some other long-forgotten deity ? Which of these is "true British" exactly ?

When you look at the length and scope of British history, you simply cannot dispute that moral and ethical systems are culturally and historically contingent. What was considered an acceptable value yesterday may not be considered such today. What a student at Eaton holds dear as a moral value may be completely alien to a cleaner raising three kids on a council estate. What I might think is a good moral value for contemporary Britain might appal you, and vice versa.

By all means argue that shops should partially close on Sundays, or that Christmas and Easter should have a more prominent role in society, but don't wrap these arguments up in nonsensical jargon about "true British values." Because - quite simply - there is no such thing. They are just words used to try and appeal to more conservative and even reactionary elements of society, evoking a sense of patriotic nostalgia for a vague utopian past, a Golden Age that never really existed. Just as there is no singular, uniform "real Britain", but a myriad of many different Britains, scattered across the ages, social classes, and different regions of this beautiful island.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013, 13:07:03 BST
Shrek says:
Easy boy.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013, 11:08:28 BST
Eh....wot......uh.....erm.......er.....ooooooolllllllllie ooooopsis!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013, 10:02:41 BST
Shrek says:
...Rachel Stevens, 5' 1", KM claims to be 5' 1" too, but she lies...she's 5' 0".

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jul 2013, 07:33:37 BST
easytiger says:
Yawn.

Posted on 28 Jul 2013, 03:01:44 BST
Last edited by the author on 28 Jul 2013, 03:02:17 BST
Garscadden says:
I agree with keeping for'ners out. Just like we kept the Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Normans, French, Dutch and Germans out. That's true English spirit for ya! Good on yer matey!

We should get back to invading and subjugating too, like them good old days. And keep the poor in squalor. Take away the vote from wimmin. Restore the god ole lord of the manor, set the House of Lords right. Dump that new fangled parliament while we're at it and get a good strong King in place. Hanging? Fantastic.

Anyone want to add more good English values?

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2013, 19:32:42 BST
Kylie Minogue...

Posted on 22 Jul 2013, 17:53:49 BST
easytiger says:
Looks like I have a stalker.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2013, 17:42:25 BST
The fairy types....

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jul 2013, 17:15:26 BST
easytiger says:
Or as a non-piggy eater meself, substitute those smoked turkey rashers for bacon, use beef sausages and a small helping of haggis instead of black pud. Luvverly.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jul 2013, 19:20:09 BST
What was it?

Posted on 21 Jul 2013, 19:05:46 BST
J.Yasimoto says:
Forget patriotism.

The true Englishman is one well versed in cynicism, pessimism and apathy. But not necessarily in that order.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2013, 00:34:32 BST
T. S. C. says:
'Gordon Bennett says:

Agreed.'

Do love a Full English myself mate, now and again!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2013, 00:33:16 BST
T. S. C. says:
'Ecchi says:

How/why ?'

And more to the point, who?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2013, 19:00:50 BST
I'm happy with meusli and yoghurt but it's not exactly traditional.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2013, 18:46:45 BST
you could have a veggie version of the full English....mushrooms, beans, toast, fried eggs veggie sausage. tomato. all that's missing is the bacon

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2013, 18:41:26 BST
My favourite is black pudding. In fact it's the only bit of an English breakfast I really like, apart from toast and marmalade which isn't the cooked bit! Of course Islam forbids eating the blood of animals, so I'll have to search through the Koran for a get-out clause. You are allowed to eat forbidden foods if you have no choice, but we had a pork joint at the weekend, and I had really bad indigestion afterwards so perhaps that was a punishment as I could have bought a chicken and the family wouldn't have complained.
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