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Why is a 'thief' always a thief, but a smoker or gambler becomes an ex?

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In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013, 21:29:51 BST
The One says:
During my child-hood, i nicked a bottle of lemonade and got caught. The One was a useless thief.

Posted on 13 May 2013, 13:08:02 BST
Of course, the white wine doesn't have the right atmosphere when it's raining, but it's OK if the sun is shining.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013, 13:06:14 BST
Well, I've resolved to cut back on the hot liquid with a dash of milk in it that I pour down my throat and increase my intake of nice, French white wine.

Oddly, in my view this ties in with the recommendations in the Koran. They used to call an alcoholic an old soak, meaning someone whose diet was more liquid than solid, but in temperate climes a little alcohol isn't a dangerous thing as it might be in very hot or maybe extremely cold countries.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 20:21:07 BST
Spin says:
PC; Quite right. It is the admission and recognition of their being alcoholic that forms the basis of their "one day at a time" struggle. One can be an "ex-drinker" but not an "ex-alcoholic". Alcoholism is for life; as is ones struggle against it.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 20:15:34 BST
P. C. Owen says:
OK. Ex is a reversal but some things cannot be reversed. Alcoholics do not describe themselves as ex-alcoholics. They are alcoholics who don't drink. I introduced the biology/environment theme and the sin/forgiveness theme because the discussion seems to require a debate about the reversibility of a characteristic.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 19:53:06 BST
Shrek says:
Which prompts the obvious question: Funtoy, why are you posting?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 18:39:55 BST
Constable Owen. Stick to the semantics of the debate.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 18:01:29 BST
P. C. Owen says:
In a society with socialized health care, the smoker imposes costs on the rest of society, just like a thief. It is not just the (former) imposition of passive smoking on the rest of society.

Some things are biological. You are not really "ex" ever. You may be non practising but the addiction is still there. Very Calvinist; Sin once and you prove yourself a sinner. Others things are situational, to some degree. It is possible to become an "ex". Your sins may be forgiven.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 15:43:41 BST
Last edited by the author on 12 May 2013, 15:44:47 BST
stu...so why are you posting?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:08:55 BST
Shrek says:

Get you.

Posted on 12 May 2013, 14:06:29 BST
Stu says:
this thread is a bit of a waste is it not? the posts are getting worse?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 14:01:20 BST
The fount ALWAYS reviews his work.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 13:35:04 BST
Shrek says:
Don't be silly. Do you read your own posts before posting?

Oh great start for Stoke!!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 11:19:53 BST
What, read Sax's posts....er...yes?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 11:15:40 BST
Shrek says:
Do you?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013, 09:47:57 BST
Dear Sax. Do you read what you write before posting?

Posted on 12 May 2013, 09:31:21 BST
saxon king says:
just like to say if you steal something it is worse depending on what it was. there's nothing truly bad about smoking it's just not pleasant to non-smokers is suppose. and i guess the name (thief) stays with that person because it is a bad thing. it's like if your a rapist or murderer (i know it's worse) but that name will stay with you forever. depending on what you steal the name will be more known.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2013, 18:42:27 BST
Last edited by the author on 11 May 2013, 20:55:34 BST
stu....yes I can read...I think you will find that a person who types replies to posts can read. My question referred to the thread title.

Posted on 11 May 2013, 18:31:56 BST
Last edited by the author on 11 May 2013, 18:40:50 BST
I think that a thief and addict fall into different catagories, and thus we judge them by different standards.

Honesty and trust (or lack thereof) are at the heart of theft. We fear thieves. Most of us work hard and worry about someone just taking what we have earned away, and once a person has been identified as a thief we will always have that little voice in the back of our heads which tells them not to trust them again. We are often just waiting for them to resort to type - hence 'once a thief'.

It doesnt help that we are bombarded with statistics and facts which insist that the chance of a convicted thief committing a further offence is extremely high.

Gamblers and the like we view differently. Of course addicts of all varieties come with their own baggage (many have to resort to theft in order to feed their addiction), but for the most part I think that their habits dont effect us directly, or at the very least we dont perceive that they do, and so do not have the same fear of gamblers that we do thieves.

Then of course there are our own experiences. Almost everyone will have been a victim of thievery at some point, where as I expect few of us have had to endure the trials and tribulations of living with an addict, although some have - myself included.

I suppose I should add aswell that there is a greater tendency for society to views addicts as 'victims', where as we view thieves as 'just bad people'.

All of these reasons are why we give addicts the more sympathetic label of 'ex'.

Posted on 11 May 2013, 17:33:40 BST
Pipkin says:
The labels might be removed but the memory still remains.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2013, 16:38:37 BST
Stu says:
cant you read simon thats just what hes posted isnt it

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2013, 16:33:06 BST
So would the one say 'he used to be a thief'?

Posted on 11 May 2013, 16:19:12 BST
The One says:
The One don't use the term ex-thief........The One says, 'He used to be a thief'.

Posted on 11 May 2013, 11:59:49 BST
Susie Brew says:
I would suggest that its also something to do with the addictive nature of 'smoker' or 'gambler'. Therefore when you cease to gamble or smoke, it is necessary to make the distinction of the 'ex' (and hence a transition away from the addiction) in a way that a single incidence of thievery would not demand. If someone were to smoke once or even gamble once you wouldn't call them a gambler or a smoker, those are terms that only come with the addiction, else you would call say they smoked a cigarette or they gambled.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013, 21:33:18 BST
Shrek says:
Hot strong sweet Tetley tea folk.
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