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Initial post: 14 May 2013 03:38:49 BDT
Having dropped and broken my Canon G12 (idiot), I'm looking for something similarish to replace it for up to £500 - sturdy, manual controls, optical viewfinder, some sort of zoom, decent image quality, short start-up time. I have a Canon D60 (lovely but too heavy) and an S110 (tiny but fiddly), so nothing too big or too small, please. Any suggestions?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013 12:25:15 BDT
T.J.Byford says:
If you were happy with your G12 re image quality and handling characteristics, why not stay with Canon and check out the G15? This comes well within budget i.e. Wex Photographic have it at £369. Canon are one of the few manufacturers still offering an optical viewfinder, although on its similarly spec'd model, Nikon do the same. Contrary to what you will read, I doubt anyone in a blind test could actually tell you which camera model took which picture, providing you are comparing similarly spec'd models. Fuji could be the exception, though, with their different sensor technology. I've not seen any results from them to personally vouchsafe this.

So I would base you choice on features you believe you will need the most, don't heed the fanboys' comments to get this or that, just trust your own instincts.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013 12:48:47 BDT
Thanks for the suggestion, TJ. I'll definitely look at the G15. Ever since I got the (slow, fiddly) S110, I've been missing the G-series' user-friendly controls. I just wondered if Canon had fallen behind the competition since the last time I looked.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013 13:15:26 BDT
T.J.Byford says:
I'd say Canon have gained the top ground again with its latest G15. Many were disappointed when Canon moved to an f2.8 lens when one of the big advantages of earlier G series was the f2 zoom. Now it sports a fast f1.8. If you've not ever visited dpreview, I'd recommend it. They've done a review of the G15 which gets their Gold award.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 May 2013 16:17:52 BDT
Since you are looking for a replacement why not put the Fuji X20 (or X10 which is on offer at less than £300) on your shortlist? It is not disimilar in concept and may be worth a look, if only to confirm your preference for the Canon.

Posted on 14 May 2013 16:22:06 BDT
Thanks, Graham - I'll try that (or those) too

Posted on 15 May 2013 15:26:03 BDT
N. Gratton says:
If you were happy with the G12, I'd also recommend taking a good look at the G15 and G1X.

Posted on 15 May 2013 17:59:47 BDT
Ben says:
Just switched from a G11 to a G15 one month ago and did not regret. The new CCD sensor is fantastic in low light and the f/1.8 lens gives better bokeh (blurred background) and is much sharper. Furthermore the FullHD video is an upgrade too. (not sure if the G12 has that ) I can recommend it.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 May 2013 18:06:07 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 May 2013 18:23:19 BDT
Thanks. I'm now leaning strongly towards getting a G15 - and selling my s110, which I find too fiddly and slow to operate. I'd rather carry a bulkier camera that I actually like using.

Posted on 16 May 2013 21:15:58 BDT
A. Hayes says:
I think I would miss the flip out screen otherwise the g15 looks good.

Posted on 17 May 2013 17:53:20 BDT
M. Clark says:
I just got a G15 (after having an IXUS 100). Loving the manual controls, 1cm macro focusing and large aperture. I use this for underwater photography. I also have a canon DSLR for land photography. Really like that changing from one canon model to another is very easy, as the controls and menus are so similar.

Posted on 17 May 2013 17:56:27 BDT
I've bought one now. Just waiting for it to make its way here from China...

In reply to an earlier post on 30 May 2013 14:56:51 BDT
Yes, you twerp! Get another G12!

Posted on 4 Jun 2013 00:34:40 BDT
Simon C says:
Canon G1X ?

Posted on 4 Jun 2013 08:42:31 BDT
A. Hayes says:
The OP has already bought a replacement.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2013 08:46:37 BDT
That's good - I like the look of the G1x though. It's not vastly more expensive than the G15 either. Having been disappointed by the G12 the G1x would have been on my short list.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2013 08:59:07 BDT
Simon C says:
My sister has a G15, handling them together really shows the weight and quality of the G1X. I will look at the canon filter attachment.

Posted on 4 Jun 2013 09:51:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jun 2013 09:53:03 BDT
T.J.Byford says:
Checking out the specs for both these cameras, interestingly there are pro's and cons for each. Initially, I expected the G1x, sitting at the top of the tree as it were, to be superior all round, as an advance on the G15, but clearly it is not in all respects. I've never handled either camera, but apart from build quality (perhaps) and the superior sized sensor in the G1x, it loses heavily in the optical stakes. Disappointingly, the G1x has an f2.8 to f5.8 zoom of 4x power, whereas the G15 shows it a clean pair of heels with an f1.8 to f2.8 zoom of 5x. The limitation of the G1x here is undoubtedly due to the physical constraints of a larger sensor, it is slightly larger than the 4/3rds standard, and being in a small body.

The sensor should lead to better quality, but unless one is a pixel peeper or makes significant crops I do really doubt that in every day situations, and for most people using the cameras, that the quality advantage of the larger sensor would be noticeable.

So, I would say to grumpy pedant, enjoy your camera when it arrives, and ignore us old phogeys going on about which might be better. You know what your G12 was capable of, your G15 will be better.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2013 11:05:22 BDT
Simon C says:
The superior sensor and construction make the G1X much better choice for me. The lens aperture is only a slight problem at the wide angle end.
The hugely better image quality makes up for it and you can digitally zoom the tele end to a better result.
Might and low light performance Is much better too.
My sister just bought the G15 so I have tried both out
side by side. The prices are very much the same if you hunt around.
I much prefer the rotatable screen. The G15 is slightly smaller and a fair bit lighter as it is mostly plastic.
I also have a collection of Contax 35 mm cameras for use.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2013 12:30:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jun 2013 14:03:03 BDT
T.J.Byford says:
Simon,

Do you really believe that a difference of slightly over 2 full stops at the tele end and 1 1/3 stops at the wide end "only a slight problem"? :-D It means at the tele end the G15 only needs, say, 800 ISO, where the G1x will need slightly more than 3200, and this is where the G15 can make up ground with its smaller sensor.
DP review says the G15 is mostly metal, by the way. Hm.
I'm not really sure what your Contax 35mm cameras add to this discussion.

Posted on 15 Sep 2013 20:54:40 BDT
T.J.Byford says:
Grumpy pedant,

I'd love to hear your views on the G15, now you've had it for a few months. Has it met your expections?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Sep 2013 13:24:28 BDT
Hmmm. I think so. It's really good for informal portraits/family snapshots, and anything where you can get close. You can get some nicely blurred backgrounds, what's in focus is pretty sharp, and the skin tones are good. It doesn't intimidate people in the way that an SLR does - and nor does it weigh you down in the same way. It's less impressive for landscapes, where I get far better results from my 60D. I guess that's a simple question of sensor size. And I miss the G12's articulating screen a little. But I'd definitely recommend it to someone who wanted a smallish, robust camera and didn't shoot too many seascapes or mountains.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Nov 2013 14:51:45 GMT
G16 will be out soon!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Nov 2013 15:02:57 GMT
It is already. From what I've read, it's not a huge improvement on the G15, though the astrophotography options look interesting.
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