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Does Dub always have to involve a stripped down, spaced out version of reggae - or could other music be 'dubbed down'

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Initial post: 6 Jan 2014, 20:05:20 GMT
If a dub is a sort of X-ray of a reggae track, with just the bones of base and drum, stripped of the rest - and then just some of the vocals and occasional blurry fragments of the music are smeared and echoed through this skeleton...with a few electronic weird noises sprinkled and drizzled into the stew...
well can the same, or similar, be done to tracks that were not reggae in the first place. Could you dub up blues, jazz, folk, C&W - and what would examples of this be ?

Heres some - Bill Callahan releasing an album of sort of dubs of his alt americana/soulful slightly spacey recent album - heres some of it -
Expanding Dub / Highs in the Mid-40's Dub

Have Fun with God - this being the dub of Dream River - well I like it...

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014, 20:15:33 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jan 2014, 20:18:46 GMT
Go+ (1978) / Vinyl Maxi Single [Vinyl 12''] is a dub version of some XTC songs. I preferred it to the standard album, although the cd version of it is limp and to be avoided. On cd it was called Explode together-Dub experiments 78-80

Generation X also had a couple of dub versions of their punkish rock tunes that worked well.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 20:29:57 GMT
Oh yes - thanks for reminding of those - I think the only generation x track I listened to more than thrice was a dubbed up thing and cool.

Michelle Shocked did an album 'deep natural' which came with a vaguely dubby second disc - the 2nd disc can be bought alone for daft money - Deep Natural or for the dub alone (daft) Deep Natural / Dub Natural (French Import).

The Gorillaz - which is spacey pop really did a dub album that I thinks the best thing they've done by far - Laika Come Home - surprisingly forgotten now.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 20:34:34 GMT
Wild Dub (2002 Digital Remaster) - here it Generation X dubbed up.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 20:39:29 GMT
Panic Grass & Fever Few - folky dubby folk

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014, 20:56:56 GMT
That's the one!

The Clash were also big fans of the dub sound, but then the music they were playing had distinct reggae vibes therein.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 21:15:20 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jan 2014, 21:26:09 GMT
TheFoe says:
Bauhaus did a bit of dub on 'She's In Parties' the extended version, if you skip to 3.38 you'll see what I mean.


Edit - St Etienne managed dub in a poppy way with 'Railway Jam'


Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 21:54:14 GMT
Johnny Bee says:
Monkey Minds In The Devil's Time - Steve Mason has a dubby vibe.

Ghosts Outside - Steve Mason and Dennis Bovell - a dubbed up version of Mason's - Boys Outside

Then of course there's Dub Housing - Pere Ubu

Posted on 6 Jan 2014, 22:58:06 GMT
originally dub was conceived as a way to avoid paying out songwriter royalties on b-sides of 7" singles, and were purely an instrumental version of the a-side. dub, as we know it was the invention of studio engineers as a way to extend playing time in the dancehalls (again saving money), before the introduction of 12" singles.
anything any genre can be 'versioned', but reggae is/was suited to this procedure as the bass is the primary instrument, and therefore the foundation on which to build is constant. can be anything from the skeleton of the piece, to complex treatments that far outstrip the original.
a master, like bovell, as illustrated above can often create a 'dubby' feel when working outwith his genre, as proved by Y, and Cut. bovell's style is as individual as tubby's, hudson, perry, scientist, niney, gibbs, far i, etc, etc.

smitty mentioned go+, which is very good, and thefoe put forward a bauhaus track, which wasn't their only dub venture, the 12" of 'bela lugosi's dead' has a classic dub sound. the clash and the ruts (dc), both had the reggae feel, and produced dubs with some skill and invention.

Posted on 7 Jan 2014, 19:09:38 GMT
interesting and educational stuff - thanks - I have the Steve Mason/Dennis Bovell discs, must go find and look - funny how something you bought a while ago, and forgot, suddenly grabs you.
this is spacey and a little dubby - for a western movie soundtrack atmosphere Slim Westerns Vol. I & II

Posted on 8 Jan 2014, 08:54:06 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Basic Channel Dubby techno. Basic Channel have done some 'proper' dub under their Rhythm and Sound monicker too.
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