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Why is Paul Weller so infrequently mentioned around here - given his enduring and wide range of varied and cool stuff ?


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Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 13:24:43 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Two Paul Wellers, there's only two Paul Wellers!
I've just been on the Politics and Religion forums by the way. Safe to say, I think I prefer it over here.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Nov 2012, 13:59:01 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
They tend to all shout at each other don't they ;-)

Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 14:04:37 GMT
Dan Fante says:
YES!!!

Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 20:44:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Nov 2012, 20:45:13 GMT
mister joe says:
I think personally Bowie is an extremely influential artist whose shadow has spanned across popular music for decades.To not see that is just stupid and not worth even a debate.
Yeah,yeah there was that awful 80s period but as i stated before Paul Weller has had his fair share of sartorical and musical embarrassments.When i took of relevancy i mean that an artists music can go on influencing whether its 40 years old or 4 years old.Bowie in my opinion can dance round in a yellow mac,have a mullet....i don't care,he can do what he wants.His run of albums in the 70s were incredible.I can see people here just take it for granted..."oh he did a funk number" "oh he did some albums in Berlin".
OKAY.Stick to your bangers and mash.

Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 20:48:04 GMT
mister joe says:
Re. "nothing relevant in last 40 years".
Rubbish listen to Outside [1995] up there with his best stuff,Buddha Of Surburbia ain't bad either.

Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 20:48:37 GMT
J. MacPhee says:
The Style Council...I rest my case.

Posted on 13 Nov 2012, 22:33:54 GMT
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Posted on 14 Nov 2012, 08:38:00 GMT
Dan Fante says:
So, even Bowie's biggest fans can only name two albums since the 70s that were any cop? And they were released nearly 20 years ago? Glad we got that one sorted anyway ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 10:48:57 GMT
Martin says:
Is that The Best of Bowie 1 & 2?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 11:57:02 GMT
The Jam are on Dad Rocks! (nuff said)...

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 11:57:56 GMT
Martin says:
My dad never liked them.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 12:02:22 GMT
You're forgetting that Bowie/Jagger's version was a rush job for Live Aid. I bought the 12" (great bass from Nathan East, just the rest that's awful) and yes the video must rank as one of the worst ever...

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 12:03:17 GMT
Martin says:
It's one of the worst Jagger/Bowie videos ever.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 12:05:04 GMT
Agree but original was by Velvelettes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Really_Saying_Something

Posted on 14 Nov 2012, 15:02:59 GMT
mister joe says:
Go listen to one of your lamentable house music cds.You had said he hadn't made any relevant music for 40 years.I disagree.The fact the biggest thing you know about Bowie is a video he made with Jagger.I never said he hasn't been relevant for 40 years,you did.Re read what you wrote.

Posted on 14 Nov 2012, 15:10:53 GMT
S. DINSDALE says:
Because he's as dull as ditchwater ?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2012, 17:27:09 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Nov 2012, 17:28:38 GMT
good on you J McPhee for sticking up so bravely and expressing your devotion and respect for one of Mr Wellers more questionable periods - like you I agree that there were some gems hidden among the silly haircuts and so on - but it was the 80s....the 60s and 70s were great....the 80s generally speaking were not.

by the way I am not knocking David Bowie....from that song about the Gnome, to his Xmas duet with the sainted Bing - he is a cool one too.

Posted on 14 Nov 2012, 23:40:02 GMT
mister joe says:
This is kind of what i was getting at knocked out...yeah for sure i am not saying everything Bowie has done is awe inspiring genius,i wince at Labrynth...my actual point is Bowie in my opinion casts a huge shadow over popular music stemming from his 70s output.I have read Fante's comment as "well he hasn't recorded anything of worth for 40 years so he is not relevant".I think this is stupid.Velvet Underground,The Rolling Stones still hold an influence[therefore a relevance]over the whole rock group template.
Paul McCartney[and i am not really a fan]sang with Rupert The Bear....does this mean he isn't still influential?No of course not.It would be stupid not to see McCartneys influence.
An album,a piece of artwork,a book,a film no matter how long ago it was released can still influence and be relevant regardless of whether an artist continues to do good work or not.So Bowie can rather comfortably dance like your uncle in a wedding,in a mac and hideous tiger shirt with Jagger cavorting around like a go go girl safe in the knowledge[Jagger too]they have made a considerable contribution.

Posted on 15 Nov 2012, 00:03:09 GMT
mister joe says:
My lecture is over.My apologies for coming across like a hot breathed supply teacher.All in all Wellers alright,paid his dues and you know has had a little influence.Laters.

Posted on 15 Nov 2012, 00:19:26 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Nov 2012, 00:27:47 GMT
Look...basically every famous established artist has his day! Bowie from Ziggy up until 'Let's Dance' was producing interesting music. After that he was irrelevant. Weller did the same until the end of the Jam (and perhaps the early Style Council) , there comes a time when most 'stars' cease being relevant or innovators. Maybe it's age, maybe because the music scene moves on. Moving into the comfort zone and producing bland radio friendly AOR songs is of little interest to me personally. Of all my 'heroes' ..the only two that come to mind who totally don't give a toss and do what they like are Neil Young and Robert Fripp. Both have of course produced 'dodgy' music in the last few years but at least they haven't sold out to the corporate machine. Clapton, Rod Stewart, Weller, Bowie (even Iggy) etc.. totally bore me to tears these days and whatever they've produced in the past of value is undermined by the bland old tosh they've churned out in the last 20 years or so. They might as well join up with Bono, Sting & Hucknall etc and just sod off!!

Posted on 15 Nov 2012, 00:28:27 GMT
Lez Lee says:
Great post Schiz!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Nov 2012, 00:39:33 GMT
I'm drunk Lez!!!! ;-)

Posted on 15 Nov 2012, 00:50:50 GMT
wobberoo says:
Liked The Jam, Jam at the BBC is very good. Don't much care for Paul Weller after that. Didn't care for him, back in The Jam, either. Most of what's been said is easy to agree with. He does think he was the frontman in The Kinks and Small Faces. He's probably of the opinion nowadays that he's better than them too!!! Adding to Neil Young, et al, Zappa certainly did his own thing, and had a much varied output.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Nov 2012, 08:51:33 GMT
Dan Fante says:
You've pretty much nailed it there.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Nov 2012, 09:01:00 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Firstly the 'quote' you've attributed to me isn't what I said. Hmm... I wonder why?
Secondly, you're confusing being influential in terms of legacy with being relevant as an artist today. And I only used that distinction because it's basically the one you were using in relation to Paul Weller in the first place. Unless you're trying to say The Jam aren't / weren't an influential band.
In another post you claimed the biggest thing about Bowie that I know of is the video I ridiculed. This is also inaccurate. I like Bowie and I like the Rolling Stones but it doesn't mean I put them on some pedestal where they can't have the urine extracted over things like Dancing in the Street.
I'm more than happy to discuss music with you or anybody else but if you're just going to make stuff up / build strawman arguments then I'll just have to ignore you in future, I'm afraid.
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