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In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 10:11:25 GMT
Oh c'mon, could you not have made a more subtle critique, before wading in with the oil and rainforest baseball bat?
Is that a QI 'obvious retort' klaxon I can hear?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 10:23:20 GMT
MC Zaptone says:
'Coz, we all love our local pub, that's where friends head for, where things get arranged, info exchanged, deals get done. It's just that now it's become a no go zone between twelve and five Saturday and Sundays.
No real biggie, just a slice of modern life I don't enjoy.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:00:06 GMT
Gordon D says:
Re bottles of water. Some (i.e. many) schoolteachers seem to have fallen for the bottled-water industry's marketing campaign to persuade us all that we're insufficiently hydrated. I get a bit frustrated with medical students who have learned how the body maintains water balance but persist in carrying around bottles of water, just in case their pituitary glands decide to knock off early.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:04:02 GMT
Gordon D says:
Re pubs. There appears to be a choice between pubs full of middle-class wenkers and their offspring or pubs full of pot-bellied, loud-mouthed racists (aka "locals"). Can't say I'd be keen on either, which might explain why I usually don't enter a pub more than twice a year.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:05:56 GMT
Post Soviet says:
That wasn't critique of anything in your post, woud be silly denying that cars nowadays are more efficient and comfortable.
Just expressing my concern of pollution, which helps to make modern air rubbish.
To the second question. I have no idea what is QI and what kind of klaxon you're hearing.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:13:51 GMT
You'd only want to do it as ahobby though. If you actually got an Allegro started you'd feel obliged to get in and drive the damn thing. A less pleasant experience than walking barefoot over a herd of hedgehogs,

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 11:23:55 GMT
Lez Lee says:
PS:
QI is a comedy 'panel' game on BBC2 chaired by Stephen Fry. The klaxon sounds when someone gives an incorrect, obvious answer.
Here's a clip :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7SOLBuy8HI

Lots more on YT if you're interested!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:24:41 GMT
The best thing about modern pubs in this country is the opening hours! No longer do we have to suffer the stupidity of having to leave a pub at 2.30 in the afternoon or 10.30 at night!! Nowadays is much better, I can get in at 11.00am and stay until after 2.00am the following morning! Excellent ...burrrppp!!!
Nobody is going to tell me that's not an improvement!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:25:32 GMT
MC Zaptone says:
Gordon, what is the central hub of your community? We have a hospital/doctors car pool for locals in need, that the regulars all subscribe to. We have bandied together to stop a bus service from being withdrawn for a local community of sheltered housing; raised thousands for a young lad with testicular cancer. We even have a dog that has been rehoused by locals three times because he outlived his previous two pensioner owners!
On the social side we have cricket, darts, golf and bowls societies.
We all know our neighbours and do what we can to help each other. This is not some rural idyll but a regular London suburb. I must say none of the above would happen without the local pub. I'd be interested to hear your alternative and how well it works.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:25:57 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Jan 2013 11:27:19 GMT
Nugent Dirt says:
Likewise GD. Cant say I miss the British pub at all. Most stink of p*** and are chock full of lowlives that would soon as give you a bottling than a cheery welcome.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:33:53 GMT
Hmmm...I guess you and Gordon have had some pretty bad experiences of pubs! My local is full of regulars who are certainly not racist or prone to bottling or glassing strangers...although I have to admit some of them are pot bellied and loud mouthed (errrr....not me obviously!). I seem to remember last summer we had loads of tourists and Olympic games visitors who loved the pubs in our area and the locals seemed to enjoy chatting to them and suggesting places to visit in London.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:35:36 GMT
I'd like to know if you've any affordable housing going spare

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 11:47:42 GMT
Post Soviet says:
Thanks Lez for helping out, as I do not have BBC channels (only basic four Irish, it's more than enough!), plus there are more 'qi' definitions when googled.
But thanks, no, I'm not a YT fan.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 12:31:57 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Jan 2013 12:32:44 GMT
Gordon D says:
MC - The central hub of our community is probably the primary school. This is the main focus for charity fund-raising, etc. It's not as strong a hub as the school in the village where we used to live, but it's certainly much more active than the nearest pub, whose clientèle is mostly young, single males (who keep dumping broken bottles & glasses on our drive).

Obviously, people without young kids aren't likely to join in with activities run by the school, but the pub also engages with only a very small section of the community. There are lots of sports clubs around here (three bowls clubs within about 100 yards of each other), which probably substitute for the pub in that regard.

Like Nuge, I find the smell of many pubs pretty nauseating. The smell of stale beer & p*** never really shifts, and some still stink of stale smoke however many years after the smoking ban. Also like Nuge, I lived abroad for quite a long time (1 year in Switzerland, 6½ years in Germany) and don't feel that British pubs compare favourably with their equivalents in some other countries.

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 14:36:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Jan 2013 14:58:31 GMT
MC Zaptone says:
I've just spent a couple of hours walking through the snow, thinking about the subject we are addressing here (good one, btw Butler) and I realised that the one thing I think is absolute rubbish about modern life is children's lack of freedom. I've just witnessed school kids finishing school early and waiting to be picked up by school run mums. The teachers keeping an eye out and telling off pupils for throwing snowballs and trying to skid along the pavement. Most people here, will have memories of a childhood spent outdoors, playing games or exploring the local area, empty houses, streams, woods etc. were the stuff of dreams, where your imagination ran riot and your gang bonded over a bonfire or fishing for sticklebacks. All of that seems to have sadly disappeared, every child I know (through the parents) is escorted or watched over by an adult in every area of their lives, when they are not indoors on a games console/computer. I'm convinced that without the risk taking and the inherent mistakes made we have imposed a mollycoddled lifestyle on our children. I'm obviously generalising but the number of young adults I know and speak to regularly are nearly all still at home or heavily dependant on their parents. Even factoring in the lack of jobs and the cost of housing, they don't seem to have the same get up and go we did. Many here will have reached working age and experienced the terrible recession and three day week of the seventies and again in the mid to late eighties, freedom was everything so you rented a bedsit or flat and crammed it full of mates to pay the bills. student squats were another big thing back then. Many twentysomethings back then went travelling abroad to work, picking fruit or bar work in France, Spain or Greece (no EU then, so illegal) or factory or building site work. Many even worked just for bed and board in Ashrams or Kibbutz. The pay didn't really matter as long as you lived in the sun and met new people. The only people I see doing anything similar now are gap year students who have planned every detail before hand online and Facebook mum eight times a day!

Maybe you think I'm being unfair on today's youth, who I don't blame for their situation at all but we do seem to have kids who are overly reliant on parents and lives that have so much emphasis on money, must have brands and gadgets.
I lay much of the blame on the media that are happy to constantly reinforce our darkest fears just to sell papers. I would happily lobby for every peodophile in the country to be taken out and shot if I thought it would reverse the situation but I reckon the damage is done and is so ingrained in every parents mind that our children will never experience those joys again. It is such a pleasure when visiting rural Spain, Italy or Greece to see the kids happy, smiling faces running freely around the streets and beaches.

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 14:54:17 GMT
Vaughan says:
Today is tomorrows yesterday.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 14:58:39 GMT
True! Childhood was a freedom back then. Basically at school holidays I would wake up have my breakfast and then it was out with my mates all day, as long as I was back by dinner time no problem. No mobile phones or being watched or accompanied all day. On the other hand there was absolutley no question of school finishing early or not opening just because of a bit of snow either! I remember really bad winters in the late 70's/early 80's where I would get to school (and be expected to!!!) no matter what the weather! The health & safety Stasi have a lot to answer for these days!

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 15:00:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Jan 2013 15:03:24 GMT
Butler, the problem with cars is that everyone has them, and the western world lifestyle almost demands that you do (OK, I'm guilty here myself).
The school run, (so many kids do not attend their closest school), commuting to work, (often not local to where you live), the "bulk shopping" run once a week.

I often question if what we call progress is simply creating a more artificial form of life which in turn creates more stress.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 15:07:16 GMT
Nugent Dirt says:
Smell and aggro aside I'm also not one for sitting around for hours on end in pubs just to engage in brainddead Beavis & Butthead type banter, banal chit chat about the woeful performance of the Arsenal back 4 etc. I prefer to do that while doing something else. Back in the good old days of pub culture (before 'kin wall-to-wall sports on giant screens, games machines, music etc) you could play pool, darts, bar billiards n' all. When i was in Cheltenham all the pubs removed these around 10 years ago, not that I ever came across any other pubs with any. Before leaving Blighty I'd long stopped being a pub regular. With nowt much to do in them other than talk b0ll0x i found pub life boring.

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 15:10:23 GMT
TheFoe says:
"I'm also not one for sitting around for hours on end in pubs just to engage in brainddead Beavis & Butthead type banter, banal chit chat about the woeful performance of the Arsenal back 4 etc." So you HAVE visited the Windsor then?! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 15:11:33 GMT
lol !!! ''engage in brainddead Beavis & Butthead type banter, banal chit chat about the woeful performance of the Arsenal back 4 etc''
You've just summed up my life! ;-)

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 15:19:29 GMT
Scarlet Lady says:
Crikey come on here and get cheered up.

Posted on 18 Jan 2013 15:21:12 GMT
sounds like a good night down the pub to me

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 15:24:33 GMT
I really enjoy visiting quality pubs, and I really look forward to hitting the city for a night of socialising and visiting pubs ...old favourites and new discoveries.

Which is why I find the comments below annoying.

"Cant say I miss the British pub at all. Most stink of p*** and are chock full of lowlives that would soon as give you a bottling than a cheery welcome."

"Re pubs. There appears to be a choice between pubs full of middle-class wenkers and their offspring or pubs full of pot-bellied, loud-mouthed racists (aka "locals")."

"I find the smell of many pubs pretty nauseating. The smell of stale beer & p*** never really shifts, and some still stink of stale smoke however many years after the smoking ban. don't feel that British pubs compare favourably with their equivalents in some other countries."

These comments are such ill-informed sweeping generalisations they qualify as ignorant and border on insulting.

The UK is full of warm, cosy, welcoming, friendly clean pubs. No anecdotal evidence is required to back this up, it's a simple fact of life.

Sure, there are plenty of bog standard no-frills `working mens' pubs, (certainly plenty in Scotland) but in my experience, they may look intimidating, but if you offer a handshake and make an attempt to join in, you'll make friends. I can't say these pubs are for everyone, but the people who frequent them don't deserve to be accused of being violent loud mouthed racists.
If you walk into a pub like that (or any pub) with the attitude that everything and everyone is beneath you, then you are not going to have a good experience.

If you are too far up your own colon to frequent a spit and sawdust pub, then find a decent traditional unpolluted pub. Anyone incapable of negotiating their way to a convivial clean pub in a decent sized town is not worthy to comment.

Are bars in continental Europe so different? I've sat at plenty `outside tables' where you have to walk past the smoking barflies indoors to get to the toilet.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jan 2013 15:39:23 GMT
Cornish, the 'problem' with cars is that everyone complains about how bad they are whilst continuing to use them.
We all stopped walking everywhere as soon as someone sat on a horse. What's the problem in complaining about cars? Western lifestyle doesn't 'almost' demand you have a car. It point blank demands. Our entire economy and layout of the country is based on horsepower transport, it was founded on actual horses and now it's combustion engines, and we now seem to be progressing towards the next gen of horsepower. Chevrolet Volt anyone?
Complaining about using cars is akin to complaining about the roof over your head.

I read somewhere that the pollutiion and air quality in New York today, is better than the pollution and air quality when it was full of horse drawn carriages.
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