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In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013, 17:07:16 GMT
Last edited by the author on 9 Mar 2013, 17:08:37 GMT
Gengler says:
Re: Windows 7 - You're final parenthetic folly betrays you - you have joined The Dark Side.

BTW - Playing "all 9 of Beethoven's symphonies...without any interruption" is different from true, deep, listening of a single Beethoven symphony. And the best experience I've had of that was 25 years ago listening to Toscanini conduct the NYP on a 1937 recording of LvB's 7th symphony. Sheer magic. Transformative - despite the clicks, pops, and hiss.

Oh well - no worries. In a few years, we'll all have Google glass and will hear Beethoven through a chip implant after issuing a verbal command to "Play Beethoven Eroica Szell Cleveland"

Cheers -

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013, 16:49:21 GMT
Ian says:
My last car was an elderly Fiat which I had been quoted £1100 to repair. I dumped it on a dealer (who hadn't even seen it) in exchange for (coincidentally) £1100. I definitely didn't want to keep a copy.

Posted on 9 Mar 2013, 16:47:43 GMT
Ian says:
I get pleasure from listening to the music.

A shelf full of CDs is hugely inferior to a shelf full of vinyl, but why not just have a shelf of signed pictures or concert programs and ticket stubs? It's all just stuff that we don't really need but persuade ourselves is important.

I can play all 9 of Beethoven's symphonies (as 24 bit files) without any interruption. I have no idea how fast the hard-drive in my NAS is spinning, nor do I care (though I suspect it's slightly faster than 33/13rpm which is obviously the best speed for anything to rotate at).

CDs were hugely over-rated little discs in nasty plastic case; barely any better than a cassette tape! I jumped from vinyl pretty much straight to lossless FLAC files (like jumping from Windows XP to 7!).

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013, 13:22:10 GMT
Bill Peter says:
I completely agree, Gengler. Who gets any pleasure, as you descibe, by browsing a C-Disk?

Posted on 9 Mar 2013, 12:53:17 GMT
Gengler says:
One gains aesthetic pleasure from owning a library - of books, or CDs. One scans the shelves - views the spines, covers, or booklets, memories are jobbed, musical phrases may be heard in one's mind - "no - not that one. Na - not in the mood for that - ah yes! That's the one!"

Pull the case off the shelf - re-familiarize yourself with the artwork, the notes. Suddenly, a clipping falls out and slides on to the table. A review you clipped in 1998 when the disc originally was released. More memories. New context for the music.

You take the silver disc, originally engineered to the size required to hold Beethoven's 9th Symphony on one side so it could play uninterrupted, and place it in your player. The music fills the air as the shiny silver disc spins at 480 rpm, working its way down to 210 rpm at the outermost edge.

No copies for me. I'll use my phone or iPod while driving, but in my home - I'll keep my library, thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2013, 20:33:15 GMT
Don Juandre says:
But you would if you could!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2013, 13:59:34 GMT
Ian says:
The difference is that when you sell your car or house, you don't keep a copy.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2013, 11:53:41 GMT
Don Juandre says:
Caitlin...'Think about it, the artist is getting no royalty for the sale on'
Can you think of any reason why they should? Any more than a car manufacturer gets commission on a second-hand car sale, for ex? Or say I built a house and sold it to you (freehold,obviously) - would you expect to have to cut me in if you then sold the house on? I don't see why the artist would be entitled to this - and I AM one of them!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Mar 2013, 09:41:19 GMT
trade your cd's iin on magpie or gove to charity shop ; after saving a digital copy in a few places...

Posted on 7 Mar 2013, 19:53:35 GMT
Alchemae says:
A nice fire could keep you warm.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013, 23:41:42 GMT
Ian says:
Not everyone who owns a digital streamer is a criminal - one of them might have paid to download all their music.

I own 3 digital streaming devices, now I need some cheap boxes to put all my CDs in (because I've bought all the music as compressed files from itunes and Amazon, obviously). The cheapest ones I can find online seem to be Ikea ones being sold on ebay and Amazon marketplace for twice their RRP. I was really hoping to avoid going to Ikea - I much prefer to just get stuff posted to me.

Posted on 6 Mar 2013, 18:18:35 GMT
Machevelli says:
Dear Mandryka, There is also the liner notes of the CDs to consider. I think you should keep the best of your collection and hand them down to your kids along with a CD player as part of your musical legacy. What you cannot sell or give away as gifts, can be recycled or go to charity. But don't forget the copy right business.

Posted on 4 Mar 2013, 15:45:42 GMT
Peter Lanky says:
re paras 1 a 2. As far as I know the law allowing us to make a copy of music we already own on CD in another format has not yet been passed, so everyone who owns a digital streamer is technically a criminal. Isn't the law wonderful?

My issue about Linn selling hi-res files at a premium price is that it shouldn't be so. Consider this:

To produce a hi-res file @ 24 bit 192kHz:
1) Band goes into recording studio and produces a master @ 24 bit 192kHz.
2) Linn converts this to a .flac and puts it onto website for download.

To produce a CD:
1) Band goes into recording studio and produces a master @ 24 bit 192kHz.
2) Linn downgrades the master file to 44.1kHz 16 bit
3) File converted to format appropriate for burning to CD
4) File burned to CD
5) CD put into case along with paper work which also has a cost.
6) CD shipped to retailer, which also wants a share of the profit.

Even creating an .mp3 file requires more effort than creating a .flac file

So hi-res file has cheapest production cost and highest price = 'rip-off'.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Mar 2013, 15:27:29 GMT
Ian says:
Have to agree to some extent. Record companies argued in the past that home-taping was illegal; I may be wrong but I thought it had been established that making copies of music you had already purchased was legal. It's giving or selling the copy to someone else that's illegal.

Digital files have made this issue more complex; if I own music on CD is it legal for me to make a copy of the same music in an identical format? Probably not at present (but we are promised this will change soon). What about changing it to a lower res/compressed format? (probably the same answer). However, I can't take the music I already own and change it to a higher bitrate format, so if I find one on the internet and help myself is that/will that still be illegal?

I suspect this will become more of an issue in the future if the Linn model of offering files in varying formats of differing quality catches on; why pay for the higher quality file if owning any version gives you intellectual property and therefore the right to play any versions you can find?

Prices are certainly over-inflated at present (and I don't see that situation changing anytime soon), which is why I continue to buy CDs rather than download.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Mar 2013, 14:45:52 GMT
Peter Lanky says:
My last comment was a little tongue in cheek; a criticism of the record companies telling us we are buying the intellectual property (which many of us have already done, sometimes more than once) rather than a lump of plastic containing the media, yet they are happy to keep charging us each time.

I'm happy to pay for hi-res, though not at the over inflated prices charged by the likes of Linn, knowing very well that it is actually cheaper to produce a hi-res file than a CD.

However, if I did actually come across a free high-res file of music I already own, I would not lose a lot of sleep over it.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Mar 2013, 14:36:42 GMT
Ian says:
HDtracks if you're willing to pay for stuff.

I don't own many files at hi-res because of cost and lack of availability. I have bought the deluxe edition of a few CDs and they came with a DVD with hires files on (or in one case (Roger Waters Live CD) I just ripped some audio from a DVD which seems to be higher res than the CD version - I couldn't say if it's better or worse because they're different performances).

Alternatively what you are suggesting is probably not legal (definitely not legal if you ask the record companies)

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Mar 2013, 13:57:20 GMT
Peter Lanky says:
I wish I could find some of these hi-res downloads. All I ever get to hear about is obscure 'arty' stuff from Linn Records at obscene prices, rather than good value stuff from people I actually like, and I already own the artistic copyright to (as the experts keep telling us), allegedy.

Posted on 4 Mar 2013, 13:31:41 GMT
Alchemae says:
To reply to the thread title.I would have thought the answer was obvious,if they are crap...
turn them into ashtrays or bird scares!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Mar 2013, 12:52:10 GMT
Ian says:
I think that's one reason why there will always be secondhand record stores; long after everybody is listening to Tull as hi-res downloaded files my copy of Thick as a Brick will be a highly desirable collector's item. That might be the case with CDs, but vinyl artwork is just so much better - it's why I've held on to all my vinyl, although I'm now considering getting rid of most of it and just keeping my favourites and the more unusual ones (like my original pressing of Bridge Over Troubled Water and my wife's yellow vinyl copy of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road).

Posted on 4 Mar 2013, 00:33:36 GMT
bellmed says:
I had a goodish LP collection when CD's came out I re-bought most of them in CD form and let the records go i now regret this as the art work was always an integral part of the LP. Try getting "Thick as a Brick" by download. For those of you to young to remember this came with a complete spoof newspaper.

Posted on 2 Mar 2013, 17:03:44 GMT
Don Juandre says:
Im going to revive this old thread - I think the range of views on the topic is as fascinating as the topic itself! But where to start? Ok... 2 minor points:1) I'm surprised no one mentioned Youtube (or maybe I missed it). Not sure what the actual downloadable - or not- situation is but surely it equates to a Huge collection of music available to anyone with access to a computer - and said music being totally unpaid for. .. 2) Many record companies are actually owned by the same parent mega-company (Sony,for ex.) that makes a reasonably sizeable profit by mass producing the tools necessary for illegal copying(tapes,blank CD's burners thereof,you name it) and who would in all probability face a thorny conflict of interest if the laws were applied more strictly! Speaking of blank tapes, as a teenager I must have recorded 100's of albums onto them,albeit for my own use, not for profit. Then in came the digital age,and with my buying power increased by being able to work, I ended up buying most of my collection on CD. So the artists actually made a sale they may not have made had I not first illegally copied their music.Just trying to show the issue isn't as clear cut as some seem to think... I have more to say but will save it for another post in the interest of clarity...

Posted on 20 Sep 2012, 22:04:09 BST
Last edited by the author on 20 Sep 2012, 22:29:04 BST
MC Zaptone says:
And yet Greenland still has plenty of crime, mainly drink and drug abuse but domestic violence is quite common. Nicking the odd bit of music sounds quite benign all of a sudden!

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2012, 08:12:08 BST
Last edited by the author on 20 Sep 2012, 08:13:07 BST
You are right Caitlin. And it may be difficult to apply the law - but you don't need laws to tell what is ethically correct.

A fast way to check what you think may be right is the analogy of living in a village of 1000 people. A lot of what society thinks is acceptable only works in a big society where people have annonimity. In the village of 1000 people we would all know each other and we look out for each other and taking goods and services from the community without fair payment or exchange would be deemed unacceptable - or even unsustainable. (That is pretty much how society works in Greenland.)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2012, 00:43:25 BST
Rhiannon says:
The poster is correct. It is not a breach of copyright to make a copy for your personal use , say to keep a copy for playing in a car, or to rip to an mp3 player or hrad drive, but you must have the original source. If you sell the original the copies should be destroyed. Think about it, the artist is getting no royalty for the sale on. It's impossible to police but that is the law in U.K.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2012, 17:50:36 BST
Last edited by the author on 19 Sep 2012, 17:55:47 BST
Exactly what I've done as well - big ringbinder folders with something like 120 CDs in each one. Done the same with the DVDs. Like this one Black Mesh CD 144 Case (Holds up to 144 CDs in a protective wallet) In fact I find it easier to find a CD or DVD like this than when they were in cupboards and cabinets. They never all went in the same place so the one you want always seemed to be in the last place you looked
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