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Posted on 14 Dec 2009 16:26:42 GMT
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Posted on 14 Dec 2009 16:29:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Dec 2009 16:32:11 GMT
David P. says: Music Team says:
"We can confirm that sales of MP3s from, including "The Climb" by Joe McElderry and "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against The Machine, count towards the Official UK Charts."

Would the Music Team please clarify:

Do both "Killing in the Name" (79p) and "Killing in the Name [explicit]" (29p) qualify for the download sales charts?
If "Killing in the Name [explicit]" (29p) does qualify can you explain why (given the 40p minimum chart rule)?

Posted on 14 Dec 2009 16:53:03 GMT
P. Bryant says:
Hi Music Team

Are you also able to confirm that both versions of KITN (currently at #2 and 3) will both count towards the charts?

Kind regards

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2009 16:58:14 GMT
P. Bryant says:
"If "Killing in the Name [explicit]" (29p) does qualify can you explain why (given the 40p minimum chart rule)? "

I can answer that for you - the 40p rule is the price retailers pay not consumers. So Amazon are making an 11p loss per download (excluding power/admin considerations) in a bid to increase market share. Similar to their approach to the market when they first came to the UK selling books.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2009 19:47:09 GMT
It's not the fact about the lyrics (even though I think it is a great song about protesting to authority)

I have bought the "so-called" x-factor protest song the last 2 years because i don't like that fact that next year x-factor is the most likely number 1 for christmas even though we don't know the name of the artist or the title of the song.

I personally wish fairytale of new york was the protest song.

Posted on 14 Dec 2009 20:47:06 GMT
Dogman says:
" Music Team says:
We can confirm that sales of MP3s from, including "The Climb" by Joe McElderry and "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against The Machine, count towards the Official UK Charts."

This includes the 29p version I take it?

Posted on 14 Dec 2009 22:30:19 GMT
I think it won't matter anyway as they will disqualify it due to unfair promotion/abuse. It's in the rules. But i'll download it anyway!

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2009 22:47:28 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate... What about the unfair promotion that the x-factor winner gets??? All those weeks of promotion and advertising on tv for nothing! And in the end it's all really just to line Cowell's pockets! Can any other artist afford that kind of promotion? Is it really fair on other artists for the x-factor single to be xmas number one every year?

I don't think so, and judging by the membership numbers in the RATM for xmas number 1 group neither do a lot of other people.

It would be disgraceful if it was disqualified and I think that it might ruin the public's confidence in the top ten chart if it was - knowing that we cannot choose the number one that we want.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Dec 2009 22:50:19 GMT
Then any crap produced by Xfactor should be banned too!

Posted on 14 Dec 2009 23:00:13 GMT
I like that thought!

Reckon that will make a successful Facebook campaign?

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 01:11:31 GMT
Rock Fan says:
Muppets for Xmas No 1!!!!!

Animal forever - he rocks.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 07:37:42 GMT
S. Smith says:
At least RATM sing their own songs and could never be called manufactured!

They've done rather well to be 2nd best selling single so far given that X Factor has an audience of 20million and RATM just has a Facebook group of 700 thousand. It shouldn't really be a contest but I just hope it is the closest race for years and for my money I'm buying Rage.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 09:34:09 GMT
In the old physical media days the stock was offered to retailers on a 'buy 1 get 4 free' basis. This meant that the 1 copy sold the retailer was over the minimum dealer price even if the price on the shelf was lower. Not sure how this has translated to the download age.

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 10:06:42 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Dec 2009 10:20:19 GMT
J. Crosley says:
Come on, Joe, what has he done? I remember when artist put more than one singal out before getting to number one at Christmas. I don't want Simon Cowell having every xmas number on just because he put his show on at christmas. I like the X factor and I'm buying RATM. Simon can put his show on in the middle of the year and still get a No.1 record.

Next year maybe Simon should ask the winner to write there own song.... see how well a song written and recorded by an unknown does...

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 10:13:05 GMT
Joe McElderry is a product, like any other manufactured by those money-grabbing Philistines. RATM are Artists.

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 11:25:33 GMT
Chris says:
I'm with you Harabael - he's not deserving and furthermore what constitutes a proper christmas song?

Overused sound effects of sleighbells? a perfectly timed key change?

I don't hear old Joe mentioning the birth of Christianity in his commercially viable "song"

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 12:15:15 GMT
It's a pity the Kittenbirds didn't reissue 'You me and Jesus' for this campaign.

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 12:39:11 GMT
S. Keighley says:
When I was a kid the Christmas number one was a great musical raffle. We had no idea out of the myriad of random, stupid or good songs which one would be played on the Top of the Pops Christmas Special while we ate our dinner.

In 1980, St Winifred's School Choir hit it with `There's No One Quite Like Grandma' while in 1984, 1989 and 2004 the public made their awareness about famine relief in Ethiopia known with Band Aid's `Do They Know It's Christmas?'. Not every song has had a Christmas theme , Noel Edmunds' `Mr Blobby' took the role in 1993 and in 2000 Bob the Builder `Can we fix it?' became the children's favourite.

But since it's inception in 2004 the replacement to Pop Idol has dominated the Christmas charts for the last four years with a well executed and timed plan of marketing. This has led to the suspense and surprise being taken out of the magic that is The Christmas Number One. Taken in by the hype and the marketing behind XFactor, the general public pre-order the winning single without even knowing who it will be and SyCo TV release it in the crucial week before Christmas when all sales count.

Well we say No More to this! Facebook groups and twitter accounts have sprung up with outrage against the boring domination of the Simon Cowel Empire and are raging against the music machine by making people aware that they can buy other singles in this time frame and totally change the outcome of the Christmas Number One. The contender? `Killing in the Name of' by alternative group Rage Against the Machine.

For just 29p you can have your say and put your foot down to the domination, manipulation and flagrant money making of the music industry.

£28,401.30 has also been raised so far forShelter thanks to everyone who has taken part in the campaign.

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 14:30:54 GMT
The world that made Susan Boyle a sensation is proving it has the clout to undermine Simon's gameplans. Even if Joe is number one, the cloak of invicibility has been severley shaken just at his greatest moment of triumph.

Thou art human, Simon.

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 17:16:59 GMT
nice to have someone from Amazon confirm things and get rid of all this speculation and confusion! RATM for Xmas! Brilliant! Well done to whoever thought that up (and a nice little earner for the band themselves!) There was a time when an Christmas No.1 meant something and we'd sit around tv watching TOTP to see who it was. Now it's lost the magic/fun knowing that it will just be an X factor ballad.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 17:26:18 GMT
RPDA says:
Maybe I've missed something ,but i can see no definite confirmation that the 29p track DOES count.........

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 17:34:10 GMT
bycbycbyc says:
It is CONFIRMED on the official facebook (down right now but you can check the cached version on google)

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 17:42:05 GMT
how is joe more deserving??? He didnt write his own songs, hes doing a cover of hannah montana for crying out loud. Does he play his own instruments? write his own music for the songs he ''sings''?? thats it he just sings is MORE than just a pretty face.
rage against the machine...becamse famous under their own merit...its their songs, music about how them! People just happen to like it...they didnt write it so everyone would love them..

joe is just manufactured...'made and moulded' for the public...and somehow winning x-factor means you DESERVE a number 1? for hard work?? what?? turning up on time to x-factor trials??

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 17:42:32 GMT
RPDA says:
But the amazon statement seemed to stop short of saying that 29 p tracks really do count .......

Posted on 15 Dec 2009 17:44:27 GMT
Dogman says:
The OCC confirmed a couple of days ago that the track must be purchased by the dealer for at least 40p (the PDD). They can then sell it for whatever price they like and count towards the charts.
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