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Initial post: 1 May 2012 07:36:20 BDT
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Posted on 2 May 2012 20:15:47 BDT
RBSProds says:
Jazz is one of those genres where you find less 'snobs' because of the wide range of types of music that make up the entire field and because most jazz fans are so 'hip' to the happenings. it stretches from classical via the "3rd stream" to country to world music to folk to blues to smooth jazz "and beyond" (as they say in DownBeat magazine) with bop (hard bop and post bop), free jazz, and swing at it's core. I'm happy that most jazz fans have an appreciation of the entire scope of jazz and have gotten beyond the 'moldy figs' of yesterday (although some are probably still around). Just my opinion. Have a good one.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 May 2012 20:51:25 BDT
Mark, I guess that I fit your description pretty well!!!

I have albums by both Garrett & Redman and enjoy both of them. However for me, the saxophonist against whom they must be judged is Coltrane and neither measure up to him IMO. It has nothing to do with being a snob as I can't abide snobbery, it is simply the way I see it. Perhaps if you were to explore the multitude of work available by Coltrane, you might understand my viewpoint and that of others.

At the end of the day it is what you enjoy and rate the highest that is important, not the views of other people.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 May 2012 22:40:56 BDT
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MC Zaptone says:
Just don't bite, tell the old blokes you heard the stall was a gay hangout or that you love drum and bass but you need a present for your deaf uncle. Unless of course you secretly desire their approval. I'm happy to listen to all types from Coltrane and Monk through to Ornette Coleman via Johnny Mercer; MJQ; Count Basie to stuff like Tao of Mad Phat - and Five Elements and Bossa for a Coup. If it moves you, let it. And of course lots of people discover the joys of Jazz through more popular forms.
Remember, unfortunately some folk get stuck in an era where they felt comfortable and should be treated with sympathetic pity. ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on 3 May 2012 14:49:36 BDT
Mark53 says:
have done so when i get the chance i will retitle!

Posted on 10 May 2012 10:28:38 BDT
Nugent Dirt says:
There are jazz snobs, those that diss any type of jazz fusion. For them unless it's classic 50s-60s hard bop and Cool it has little merit.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2012 10:54:58 BDT
Ajarn Col says:
That's the'if you can't tap your foot to it , it ain't jazz' school. Which once might have had some validity ? Although if we take into consideration Gottschalk's undeniable influence on the evolvement of jazz then even that's historically questionable. But in an ever evolving genre that includes sub-genres , such as, "cosmic jazz", "chamber jazz", and "world jazz fusion", etc. it seems somewhat anal retentive to consider anything but hard bop, post bop ,and straight ahead to be the only credible forms of jazz.

Posted on 10 May 2012 16:53:01 BDT
zargb5 says:
Was it John Zorn that came up with the title 'jazz snob eat 5_it' ?

jazz has been influenced by so many areas of music it' difficult to be a snob nowadays.

But it's all relative as i prefer coltrane to westlife or the bay city rollers anyday in any universe.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 08:15:14 BDT
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Yes, he did, zargb5. He also called himself something along the lines of "jazz terrorist". That "jazz snob" track is on the Naked City Black Box20th Anniversary Edt:Torture G cd, if memory serves correctly.

Zorns catalogue is in itself a trip almost all the way across jazz and back. It is an amazing body of work that touches so many bases, death metal right across to contemplative film sound track music, via Jewish folk and thrash metal orientated sax laden be bop.

Posted on 11 May 2012 17:11:58 BDT
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RayB says:
I've been listening to jazz since I was a teenager back in the late fifties. I was decried by trad loving schoolmates as a 'filthy modernist' and yet ten years later as I left a club where a particularly free 'free jazz' set had degenerated into noise I was called a 'mouldy fygge' by the guy on the door.
Now as a pensioner when I gather my pennies together to buy an album I don't give a monkey's for anybody's approval of my choice. Life really is too short!

In reply to an earlier post on 11 May 2012 23:23:25 BDT
Was the guy on the door related to Chaucer by any chance, Ray?

Your attitude is 100% sound ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 15 May 2012 16:05:40 BDT
RayB says:
I think the 'fygge' spelling was introduced by the late, great and much missed Humphrey Lyttleton, but I may be wrong.

I think as you get older you are less impressed by fashion and care more for what moves YOU. My recent purchases include youngsters like Andy Linham, Jack Davies and Matthew Halsall, oldies like Clifford Brown, Johnny Griffin, a couple of Johnny Cash's American albums and believe it or not The Temperance Seven!! And I'm not sorry!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 May 2012 16:54:27 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
dangerous territory Cornish - "must be judged" is surely subjective. I prefer The Bird, Hank Mobley and Wayne Shorter (who has often been described as as a Coltrane copyist - unfairly in my view). the music of each must stand on its own and it's not a competition. That said i always thought it was embarrassing when grappelli and menuhin played duets as menuhin didn't have an ounce of jazz in him and the comparison was always going to favour stephane because of the music choice.

Posted on 14 Oct 2012 03:23:48 BDT
mancheeros says:
M.C. Williams: Just don't bite, tell the old blokes you heard the stall was a gay hangout...

And what precisely does that asinine comment have to do with jazz?

Posted on 23 Oct 2012 20:44:33 BDT
Mark Porter says:
I am a jazz snob, as well as most other types of snob. I guess it is too late to change now ....

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Oct 2012 16:20:39 BDT
I don't know about snobbery, which suggests some predestined class privilege system. Didn't Duke Ellington say there are only 2 kinds of music- good & bad? But I do believe in keeping the critical faculty alive, whether listening to jazz, prog, soul or atonal string quartets; otherwise we run the risk of regressing to the hippie mentality of "everything's cool, man" (V sign).
Trying to define where "jazz" begins & ends, or mutates into something else, is a different game.

Posted on 27 Oct 2012 16:58:48 BDT
Mark Porter says:
And of course - it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing .....

Posted on 27 Oct 2012 19:35:21 BDT
I do also favour the Duke's declaration of "Good" and "Bad" being the only two types of music, regardless of which genre or little box a particular offering has been placed into - either for journalistic or marketing convenience.

How any individual decides for him/herself which G vs. B "music box" is used is simply a matter of subjective taste. Who cares if someone questions your own taste? Some people seem to decide what they like at a certain age and stick with that preference.

Just how much "good" music they might miss (which might also broaden their music tastes and appreciation of it) by doing this is probably incalculable, especially in the interwebby age. I'm over 60 & still keep finding lots of new stuff to enjoy.

I used to be concerned for people who declared that they "hated jazz"; sometimes I challenged this assertion by asking them what "jazz" was, and pointed out its massive legacy and the uncountable number of influences it has embraced & absorbed.

Nowadays I too decide to let them get on with it - it's my life, and I will soak up as much "good" music of all genres as time remaining for me will allow. However, I do always keep in mind the wonderful words of Howard Devoto, when he sang "my mind ain't so open that anything can crawl right in".

So - the X Factor, Rollers, at least 99.99% (recurring) of all Boy Bands (and, of course) Robbie Williams get no airplay unless involuntary radio exposure is unavoidable. Maturity has taught me to live with the distress caused by these contrivances.

OK - here's one for Jazz Snobs - I enjoy Manhattan Transfer, amongst many other artists marketed to "crossover", but are they "jazz"??

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Oct 2012 20:05:57 BDT
Magazine, great band. That's a great quote, I often use it myself.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Oct 2012 20:21:47 BDT
Thanks, Smitty - always thought that your comments have been prompted by good taste!

Or does that read a bit snobby? :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Oct 2012 20:25:33 BDT
Smitty, good taste?????
;-)

Posted on 27 Oct 2012 21:46:31 BDT
I have been listening to jazz in one form or another since the late 40s and one of the great joys of jazz is that you don't have to define it and it can be anythingthat you like. i have now decided that I will confine myself to 20th Century jazz, not because nothing of merit is being produced today but because at the age of nearly 80 the remaining time is limited and there is still so much of the 20th Century to explore. The only thing to say about jazz is you'll know it when you hear it and jazz that requires the most attention to be "understood" is the most rewarding.
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