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Initial post: 20 Oct 2012 21:11:37 BDT
C. J. Owen says:
Suited and Booted Black Country Tales

Just had my 1st bad review and would love to know where I could get more reviews to find out how others find my books.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:13:28 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 21:15:51 BDT
gille liath says:
If you'd like another bad review, by all means send me a copy...

EDIT: Just had a look at the page. If your first, non-bad review is for real then I'm Charlie Chan.

Posted on 20 Oct 2012 21:17:10 BDT
C. J. Owen says:
lol I aint after bad ones at all really, me confidence is already shot, I'm after constructive reviews more than anything, I'd love to know how to improve, I think my work is a bit to modern and indie for most unfortunately.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:19:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 21:20:09 BDT
gille liath says:
Ah...ahead of your time?

In what way, 'too modern and indie'? I mean, the blurb does maybe lead one to expect cosy, herriot-esque tales of rural life.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:23:20 BDT
C. J. Owen says:
well i'm still in me early twenties, plus im a bit of a chav so I guess I write the way I talk a bit to much I suppose prob puts a few off spesh readers of published books, caw help it tho av only got myself n me mrs to edit it rly.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:26:59 BDT
gille liath says:
'A local accent he can't and won't shake'? ;)

I don't know what I can say, other than it takes time to learn how to write. Plus everybody's doing it...it's a tough market out there. If you want any advice etc, the 'self-publish' thread is probably the one to go to.

Posted on 20 Oct 2012 21:34:17 BDT
I haven't seen the text, but it's unusual in my experience to get completely rave reviews no matter who you are. If someone is criticising because of the grammar, syntax, or presentation, or because of missed characters or punctuation, then you need to pay attention, because that kind of thing is unforgivable if you are asking someone to pay for a hard copy or a ebook copy of your work, but for the rest, you ought to be your own worst critic, which is to say that a lot of writers can't stand to be criticised, no matter how constructive the criticism is, and occasionally the critics do actually get it wrong, but objectivity is something a lot of writers have to work hard to develop, and I'm afraid I can't tell you how to become objective, except that you need to put yourself in the place of a variety of types of reader, and ask yourself how each type is likely to react to what they read. It's a quality you will know more about if you have read English Literature at a decent university, because it tends to develop with degree standard and particularly post graduate exposure to literature - and no, I'm not trying to be elitist - and it's a particular problem for a writer who has friends and family telling them that what they have written is clever or inspired or whatever - and unfortunately that's what friends and family tend to do. I don't know how long you have been writing, and I'm sorry if you feel I ought to know more about you, but there's so much material and I tend to limit my reading these days to the books which contribute to research, and to subjects that immediately strike a chord, however if you have been writing for a few years, then I suggest you look back at early work, and see how you feel about that. If you think it is ok and can't find any holes, then probably you need to work for some objectivity, as I don't know a professional who can read work which is more than a few years old without shuddering at something or other. Hope this helps. Don't forget there are catty reviewers as well as decent honest ones, and some who get a charge out of tearing at something for the sake of it - also there are people reviewing who have specific prejudices, or think they are the absolute authority about what is and is not good literature. If objectivity isn't the problem, then maybe you need to grow a thick skin, because what you have described is going to happen again. My first book in the nineties I took religious belief apart in one conversation between two characters, and while it was justifiable, and didn't reflect a personal viewpoint, I read a review about a couple of months after publication which suggested that the book would sell well because a lot of people would want to burn it - my pseudonym here isn't my real name and isn't the name I was published under so this isn't self promo. Sit back, relax, be honest with yourself, and if you still think you did a good job, then maybe you did.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:36:44 BDT
gille liath says:
Did your university teach you about paragraphing? ;)

Posted on 20 Oct 2012 21:44:25 BDT
C. J. Owen says:
I av bin writing for about 5-6 years now n i fort id got it as good as i could really. I never got much in the way of english lit and grammer at school had E grades an never studied english coz I'm a car electician who writes in my spare time. Even me mrs day do much english she jus a nursery nurse, so I'm trying my best really with what iv got as caw afford peeps to look at it properly. Doh av any problems with my fam tellin me its good either coz they doh like to read anything but magazines so guess my problem comes from lack of critisims, an I con tek bad reviews so long as I know what iv done wrong an con improve

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 21:56:31 BDT
gille liath says:
I've had a little look at the preview. It could certainly do with better editing - there are some spelling mistakes etc - but there are people on here who know a lot more about that than I do.

Looking specifically at what the review says, I can understand how this lady felt a bit misled by the cover, title and blurb. The stories seem to be pretty urban in content, and without much that's specific to the Black Country - I think that's what she's saying. In other words they could be set in any middle-sized British town. That doesn't necessarily mean they're bad things of their own kind.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:11:49 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 22:13:00 BDT
Oi! Don't sent them over to me! Now I know where they all come from! Grrrrrr. Besides, it's not a 'self-publish' thread, but a thread about self-published books and the quality. Grumble.

C.J. Owen: reviews are for readers, not for authors. Reviews don't need to be constructive, feedback needs to be and that before publishing.

Oh, I feel my fingers itching again. Rant, rant, rant. I've already written about 3k and things like that are fodder for me.

Okay, I'm going to pull my head in again.

Night, everyone.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:16:15 BDT
gille liath says:
You know what, i had a little twinge of conscience as I wrote that. Sorry :)

Still, it's that 'bomb on an airplane' effect; the words 'self-publish' draw self-publishers in, even though that wasn't the original intent. I don't know what's come over me tonight: I'm trying to be helpful for a change.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:19:32 BDT
I noticed. ;-)

Just you wait until that 'educational rant' is out. Then you can just link to that book and that will give self-published authors all information they need. Reading at own peril. And I'll go and rent a bunker afterwards.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:21:22 BDT
Anita says:
gl - not Charlie Chan unfortunately - a quick question: can you really say 'were sat'? Unless somebody else put them there to sit? (In fact it's a honest question, well, more or less.)

(Just a detail I noticed, was too bored to read further)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:25:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 22:26:31 BDT
Can I answer, can I answer?
Yes, they were sat (were sitting) at the table. Like I was stood (was standing) at the window. Very odd saying and I never use it. I stood at the window and sat at the table.

Gosh, if I got that wrong now, I'll made a great tit of myself. lol
Pat?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:28:35 BDT
gille liath says:
It's not really correct English, but it's a common colloquial form.

You can put your hands down now...

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:31:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 22:34:42 BDT
It's colloquial? I thought it's like this very strange: it had better be true.

What a weird way of saying is that?

I always highlighted the 'was stood' (at the window) saying that is sounds odd when editing, but I don't touch grammar for the very reason: I don't know if it's right or not. Well, now I know. (And so does Anita.) Thank you.

And I'll sign off for tonight. Early morning in the garden tomorrow.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:34:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 22:36:00 BDT
Anita says:
But you just said "I'll made"..... :)

Hi both, by the way

Heck, I see 'hi' wasn't exactly right... Night, Stella

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:38:46 BDT
gille liath says:
And 'heck' is only really permissible in the American Mid-West, I believe. Like 'darn'.

Hiya.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:40:56 BDT
Anita says:
Thanks, good to know ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:54:32 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 22:56:01 BDT
gille liath says:
To be fair, he did have a bad review. Did you look at 'Black Country Tales'?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 23:12:57 BDT
monica says:
I clicked on his link Suited and Booted. Because OP doesn't seem to care much for punctuation--after all, logical punctuation saves a lot of work for readers but cuts down on the work a Writer must daily deal with--I'd not realised he was referring to two books. Shan't in this life nor future ones consider reading either. Use erratic punctuation meself so I do, but would rather on the whole like to think that that's result of laziness not ignorance.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 23:28:26 BDT
Anita says:
Punctuation aside, another honest question - I *really* need a translation for this from his last post:

'...now n i fort id got it...'

Is that the kind of post to get anyone interested in his book?..

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2012 23:32:03 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2012 23:32:27 BDT
gille liath says:
I think you guys are being a little harsh. I know, another day I might be saying the opposite, but I took that as a sort of self-deprecating comment on himself. He admits he needs better editing. And I could be wrong, but I think he's genuinely looking for constructive criticism rather than just spamming.

As for the writing, it needs polish, but at least you can see a personality in there: there's something to work on.
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