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Posted on 16 Jan 2013 23:44:37 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jan 2013 23:47:29 GMT
Frank Mundo says:
So since lit-fic is a no-go, which do you think would get more traction in our marketing efforts or perhaps be easier to market: General Fiction, Contemporary Fiction? Something else?

I've been trying:
Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Fiction > Contemporary Fiction
Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Fiction > Short Stories

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 23:25:20 GMT
Good post.

Some of us are condemned to trawl the boards in search of fine and worthy opponents. (Others wish to talk about their grandchildren). Peter Pan, is that lit-fic? All Captain James T Hook really wanted was a fine worthy opponent. And, of course, exchange is no robbery. You can show me the path to literary excellence and I, in turn, shall regularly service your boiler.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 23:08:36 GMT
carocaro says:
Ha I took a quick look and you are such a cheerful and handsome beast:)
I love the Complements of the Season, if she is in season your right. It is literary fiction if imagined, fictional and written down. It doesn't make it good. It sounds like a seedy fantasy to me, which would probably be better than if she attempted the real thing. In her fantasy she can control her 'characters' and fulfil all her imaginings in a romantic rose tinted haze. Mind it would probably be better for her excitement and adrenaline rush if she did it for real with an attracted stranger...under health and safety rules of course in RL...but you don't get quite the same control in RL. I mean in her fantasy she would never give a thought to dry undies. Being polite note!

The unrequited love or the suicide may be good or bad. If good I daresay it follows a format borrowed from other writers as people have since old Bill Shakespeare, Marlowe and Ben Johnson with plays that were hits and have since become sold in a thousand shades of complementery copy.

Literary fiction was the term highjacked inappropriately by self serving, overly self important, supposedly literary expert critics who meet over wining and dining in covens on a regular basis, and with a knowing wink, raised eyebrow, throat clearance etc. come out with a load of diatribe concocted between them as to their remarkable find or equally remarkable crucifixion of the latest literary fiction work, claiming that this is true literary fiction of the highest or lowest quality to hit the mind and soul or ar sole of mankind for ever an ever in the annals Amen...is that one n or two?

By law of averages people are gullible, think Emperor's New Clothes, climb on the bandwagon and away it goes.
Likewise if crucified, let's see what the fuss is about. Extremes of literary fiction picked up and noted and both ends do well. While Johnny and Alice are ignored in class.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 22:42:01 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jan 2013 22:57:55 GMT
Your backfiles were on show . . . I looked . . . so sue me!
Back on track with literary fiction. It's got to be a crock, hasn't it? I can talk about these because they are not for sale individually. "For the love of Angelina" . . . a heart-wrenching tale of a stalker in love with a woman he cannot speak to. He commits suicide in the end when she takes a lover - is that lit-fic? Or is it destroyed by the last line where her apparent stalker turns out to be her goldfish. Or perhaps "Compliments of the Season", a woman meets and has sex on a train with a complete stranger. Is that lit-fic? It's obvious from the title she'll end up up the duff.

I mean . . . "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" is that lit-fic?

The lif-fic tag tends to be an excuse. If the reader doesn't get it then it's the reader's fault. It appears to be writing almost for writing's sake.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 22:17:40 GMT
carocaro says:
Rumbled...actually, it really happened. General service of the boiler and I had a shock when they sent the appointment notification that stated calling 1600- 2000 hours. He arrived just after 4pm, very chatty and wanted to tell and show me everything he was doing. Came over to show me I was 98.4% efficient and I was a shameless hussy, flirted mercilessly. Told him that was the body temperature of someone almost at boiling point. He had a hot flush I swear.

Oh, so you've been peeking in my backfiles then Michael, you obviously know now my most preferred though not exclusive genres. Yes, I review my reads as fairly as possible, good and not so good.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 22:00:44 GMT
Once a year is not enough (I've read some of your reviews). If it was blue I think there may have been something amiss. Have your physician check out your flue. It would be a shame to have the pilot light prematurely extinguished on one so pretty.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 21:55:40 GMT
carocaro says:
This was Eon and a yearly check of my boiler, and sorry Michael but he had his tool...I said box, but it was a bag and blue, held in front of his body.
No bill as I pay monthly in advance:)

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 21:54:55 GMT
I Readalot says:
This question has come up before Ethereal but I believe that it could be attributed to Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch (wrote under the pen name of Q). He lectured in literature at Cambridge in the early 20th C. Little known nowadays he was very influential and Kenneth Graham has said that he was the inspiration for the character of Ratty in Wind in the Willows.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 21:46:14 GMT
It's not going to happen.

If the man had given the boiler a full and proper service, once done he would have secured his tools and put them away. My friend works for Dynorod. He says you should never tell the lady of the house you are finished until the blockage is cleared and all your tools are back in the van.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 21:43:42 GMT
carocaro says:
I think he could be a little busy for a moment thinking it out, but when he's finished he may be back to comment...finished thinking of course;0)

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 21:38:09 GMT
Ethereal says:
Do you think between us we've silenced him?

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 21:34:47 GMT
carocaro says:
Ah, Michael I know romance and erotica are the biggest sellers...I also deduce that our Ethereal is a submissive masochist at heart. You see she undergoes the pain in order to gain her moment of pleasure. Takes after my own penchant for mischief in that attempt at innocuous innocence. She is also looking for a dominant protective Master who will cosset her and attend to all her needs;)
Definitely hot romance Ethereal.

As opposed to my moment with my gas boiler service man which could be interpreted as humour. He had commented on the cold weather with a quick uncontrolled flicker at my slight protruberances that I suppose are difficult to miss. However, the humour was reciprocated when he came over to say he had finished, at which point I arms out and back stretched with a yawn and excess of movement as a little jiggle followed. At this point he swung his toolbox (scuse the pun but note it) in front of his lunchbox and kept it tight close all the way to the door at which point he tripped over the edging on the step, to my steadying arm. His was still holding his box in front of his box.

Now that I would have as humour but at the expense of another.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 21:31:40 GMT
Ethereal says:
I'm sure many writers aspire to lit-fic but I'm inclined to think others are the best judges of that ... which must make marketing a nightmare for self-published authors.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 21:18:11 GMT
Ethereal says:
Since no one asked, I'm in pyjamas, socks, emu slippers, tracksuit top and blanket. When my nose ices I'll turn the heating up from ticking over and bask for half-an-hour in the glow that comes from being good. Like a treat. Romance or humour?

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 21:12:37 GMT
I'll try to steer this topic back on point. It's all in the pitch! Modern general fiction has developed to the extent where romance and humour are almost essential elements. Indeed, almost everything I've written contains an element of romance. I've a couple of books which are in the sports genre (unpopular) if I rewrote the pitches to emphasise the romance aspect of the story I'm sure they'd sell better.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 21:04:50 GMT
carocaro says:
Now who's talking cross foxes Michael :D

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 20:59:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jan 2013 21:00:23 GMT
Well, I'm glad to know you are getting your boiler regularly serviced. A woman should never let her boiler fall into a state of neglect. Apparently, you don't need a man. You can service it yourself.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 20:54:18 GMT
carocaro says:
Well the man who serviced my gas boiler noticed what I was wearing, especially with the weather so cold here! Though I'm unsure who you are talking to, perhaps Frank, Shelagh or Ethereal? ?????

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 20:40:07 GMT
Yeah, but what are you wearing?

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 20:34:29 GMT
carocaro says:
Plain and simple, put it in a subset or subsets of genre/s and market it to those who like that subset.

Thing is how do you make it noticeable and in the eye of the potential seller, that is the tough nut to crack!

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 20:09:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jan 2013 20:10:01 GMT
Frank Mundo says:
Well, if nothing else, our disagreement clearly shows why marketing literary fiction is so hard.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 20:04:41 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jan 2013 20:22:33 GMT
Frank, I'm not convinced.

"Dodgy Keyboard."

I for 1.

This is an angst-ridden tale of a struggling writer trying communicate with a faulty keyboard. The writer cleverly duplicates a well worn cliché and shows us intimacy even in third person. (In first person present it would have read "I for one)."

A masterpiece!!

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 19:55:26 GMT
Frank Mundo says:
Micro fiction and flash fiction are legit forms of writing, especially in the twitter age. Not my cup of tea, but I won't dismiss it entirely because I don't get it.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jan 2013 19:50:35 GMT
Interesting . . . you picked up on a totally different word; not the ambiguous words placed by the writer. Your choices were 'belly-aching' or 'consumption'.
- Ergo, it must be lit-fic.

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 19:44:24 GMT
carocaro says:
The shortest piece of literary fiction I know of is by Ernest Hemingway

Baby shoes for sale. Never worn.

Romance, Horror and Thriller in one

Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived!
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