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Indie books far from becoming extinct

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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2013 17:00:45 GMT
Ethereal says:
By paperback I meant adding to the temptation - I don't have a kindle!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2013 16:42:44 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Only one.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2013 16:41:15 GMT
Ethereal says:
Thriller is given in the description I read along with literary and psycho but then it was the same with Private Dancer ... You shouldn't tempt me - I've several books on the go and don't like to read when in writing mode, plus my concentration isn't what it used to be as I get bored quicker so I'll never get through them if I keep adding. And your books are in paperback!

Michael, you copied SL's book blurb!

Posted on 15 Jan 2013 16:34:12 GMT
"This is an engrossing thriller about relationships with bar girls by a bestselling crime author. It is set in Thailand in 1996, the year of the Rat. Pete, a young travel writer, wanders into a Bangkok go-go bar and meets the love of his life. Joy is the girl of his dreams: young, stunningly pretty and one of the Zombie Bar's top earning pole dancers. What follows is a roller-coaster ride of sex, drugs and deception, as Pete discovers that his own very private dancer is not all that she claims to be and that far from being the girl of his dreams, Joy is his own personal nightmare."

If the writer defines the work as a thriller and the reader agrees - It's probably a thriller.

Just sayin'.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2013 16:10:15 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jan 2013 16:41:54 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Mine aren't "thrillers." I'm not saying that to self promote. Anyone who thinks they are thrillers would be sadly disappointed.

(Updated for clarity)

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2013 08:51:58 GMT
Ethereal says:
I did check out your books a while ago but I'm not normally a thriller reader.
I resisted SL's lure for a long time, until a couple of posters drew my attention to this book by questioning the author's morality and I promptly checked out the reviews. A poor review convinced me - not his usual sex and fast car story and indeed it was the relationship and cultural aspects that drew me and I wasn't disappointed. (He did warn me about the "ripe language" but where appropriate that doesn't bother me.)

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2013 22:01:39 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2013 22:01:56 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Oh man, I wish this thread was in MOA because honestly Ethereal you could be my ideal reader.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2013 21:33:16 GMT
Ethereal says:
"My theory with literary fiction is that no reader wants to make a fool of him or herself and like something that may be garbage."

Interesting theory!
I read mainly lit fiction because I enjoy gritty realism and descriptive language.
I also enjoyed Private Dancer.
Looking for themes and meanings is part of my enjoyment and I found it in the latter as much as the former.

Posted on 14 Jan 2013 21:03:39 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2013 21:06:11 GMT
Marion Stein says:
You are right and that's the difference I was getting at. Readers in genres like romance, thriller, etc have communities where they judge for themselves. A book like Hopeless is the number one selling e-book in the United States within a month of publication. The author had two previous e-books with which she built a following. I'm willing to bet that major book critics, academics, bookstore owners, etc had probably never heard of her until maybe last week. And most readers of literary fiction who aren't writers or otherwise in the book biz, probably still haven't heard of her. My theory with literary fiction is that no reader wants to make a fool of him or herself and like something that may be garbage. Literary fiction readers are dependent on gatekeepers and look for books that (yes literally) have an imprimatur.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2013 18:46:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2013 18:53:49 GMT
Readers of literary fiction love to meet up and discuss the books they read. They like to analyse books and look for hidden meanings. They also enjoy expressing their own opinions and listening to other readers' interpretations. Part of the enjoyment is in sharing common ideas about the underlying themes/meanings of the story. They prefer books that have been read and accepted by people in authority: teachers, academics, literary critics. This is true of all works of literary fiction, and their authors, whether indie authors or not, have to wait for their work to be judged and accepted. It can be a long wait.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2013 14:35:00 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Darren -- There is a TON of variation in genres. However, whatever the reason, romance readers and readers of sub-genres within romance including paranormal romance, young adult and various forms of erotica seem much more willing to buy indie books (usually e-books) and take them seriously. Also has been pointed out, people simply buy a lot more romance books than other kind. Thrillers, mysteries, etc also do well.

There are plenty of self-published novels in other genres including literary fiction -- which at least in the US seems to be a catch-all category that includes fiction that's hard to place within a genre, well-written, and tends to be more character than plot driven. However, readers who tend toward more complex and off-beat books tend to avoid anything that smacks of self-published. Writers, even good ones, who are writing "less commercial" fiction are in a bind. On the one hand most literary agents and publishers won't take a chance on "literary fiction" written by unknowns since the odds of selling enough not to lose money are low. On the other hand readers who read for certain qualities (as opposed to certain plots) are unwilling to take a chance on self-published work because the odds of it being good are low.

In the genres that sell well as indies, there are community of "independent" readers with strong blogs and forums who can reach each other about new great finds -- including indies. If someone even stumbled upon a great literary novel that was self-published, the reader might not even want to admit it. It's more than stigma. It's stigma among certain types of readers.

In the US, a lot of really great writers of serious fiction don't make a living from their books (however critically acclaimed). Often they gain a reputation from their books, but survive through relatively easy teaching jobs at universities and colleges, and/or are able to get money from non-fiction articles, book reviews, etc. A self-published literary novel, even if it managed to beat the odds and sell somewhat respectably, is not going to lead to a university job for its writer.

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 19:09:08 GMT
Romance ebooks are becoming popular because readers don't have to disclose to the world what they are reading. They can sit on the tube/train and read romance fiction without anyone seeing the book cover. With less intimidation over what people choose to read, more and more readers are finding that cheap indie books provide an entertaining read at a reasonable price.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jan 2013 18:46:12 GMT
I Readalot says:
I don't deny that is the case for the e-reader market but when it comes to books the best seller lists are far more varied. It is not all surprising as in general women read more that men (sorry guys) and they are the target audience for romantic fiction.

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 18:21:57 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Self-publishing existed before Kindle and it will always exist. Amazon is not about to change its policy of open access to the Kindle platform which makes self-publishing a lot easier. Too many of the "new" writers are also readers who buy lots of stuff when they drop by Amazon (hundreds of times a day) to see how their books are doing.

I could see imagine Amazon's "evolving" on this, however. They are always responsive to consumers and marketing issues. If e-book prices dropped significantly on more traditional published titles, I could see them changing the browsers a bit to keep the visibility of e-books low. It's like a large supermarket that may carry obscure and local brands, but places them on lower shelves or weird corners where most consumers who aren't looking for them won't see them.

Eventually, maybe this will discourage some people from self-publishing, but they'll still be gazillions doing it.

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 13:18:43 GMT
Maybe thrillers are popular here in the UK, but according to the New York Times: "Romance is now the fastest-growing segment of the e-reading market, ahead of general fiction, mystery and science fiction, according to data from Bowker, a research organization for the publishing industry."

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 09:08:04 GMT
I Readalot says:
Maybe romance outsells in Kindle format but crime is certainly up there with the best seller in books. Recently the top ten was taken over by Shades of Grey and its clones but there are weeks when crime fiction dominates the top 10 bestsellers. Surprising not to see more of those in the kindle list.

Posted on 10 Jan 2013 23:59:09 GMT
From the down votes, it would seem that customers using this forum would prefer indie books not to do well. Why is that? If the books are entertaining, cheap and easy to read, what does it matter how they were published?

Posted on 10 Jan 2013 19:00:14 GMT
Romance novels outsell every other genre. The significance of the indie list is that the #1 bestseller is also top of the list for all Kindle books, not just self-published books.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Jan 2013 17:19:11 GMT
DarrenHF says:
I just thought that there might be a little more variation in genres.

Posted on 10 Jan 2013 15:58:36 GMT
Is that such a surprise? The top book sold on Kindle at the moment is a romance book ... and it's self-published. Eight of the top ten Kindle books (indie and commercially published) are romance books.

Posted on 10 Jan 2013 11:12:51 GMT
DarrenHF says:
But they're all romance-y things.

Initial post: 10 Jan 2013 00:19:52 GMT
On the "Kindle ruins English literature ..." thread, it was suggested (in jest) that instead of evolving, self-publishing was about to become extinct. On Amazon US, the indie best seller's list suggests otherwise:

The top indie book is #1 paid in Kindle store.

#100 indie book is #363 paid in Kindle store.

So, if you only want to read the best and avoid the rest, check out this list daily. If you prefer free books ...
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