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Indie books far from becoming extinct

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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 14:12:39 GMT
Tinca says:
I cannot say that I am astonished that your wife occasionally looks straight through you - the fact that she's still even in the town is remarkable. Does she walk around the house with a sort of glazed expression as well? I feel as if I understand that woman now.

I do believe that there is a community duty involved here, absolutely. In the UK we call it 'Care in the Community'. It has failed miserably but we don't have anything else. I'm not giving up on you, Michael.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 14:23:21 GMT
Tinca, there you have an example of a fictional fact. You claim to understand my wife even though there's a possibility that I don't have one. Was this sentence too complicated for you? "There are a great number of SF plots based on your premise."

I'm aware of the Care in the Community policy. Some of the deluded people it was designed for actually believe they are in charge of it and it is their duty to make policy and implement it.

Poor creatures.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 15:31:43 GMT
Tinca says:
My suggested understanding of your wife was entirely fictional, for demonstration purposes only.

I can see that it is entirely probable that you do not have one.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 15:49:04 GMT
Why would you suggest that, Tinca? As usual you have reverted to type. Frustrated that you cannot gain support in a debate over literature you have decided to make this personal - that's fine with me. I can only think that desperation has caused you to resort to baseless tripe.

I can only assume that Tinca has lost her belle and no amount of pentapeptides are going to restore it.

Posted on 21 Jan 2013, 15:51:33 GMT
It's eleven days since I started this thread and the #1 bestselling indie book is still the #1 bestseller in the Kindle store. Five of the top ten bestsellers in the Kindle store are indie books.

For those who missed it, here's the link again:


In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 16:16:14 GMT
Tinca says:
Whoops, looks as if I've fallen into your trap and wasted a whole lot of time in the process.

But you feel a whole lot of support for your views here? Should've gone to Specsavers!

Me? I'm just a lawnmower - you can tell me by the way I walk.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 16:17:33 GMT
Tinca says:
My apologies, Shelagh - it was a good thread and I have let it down somewhat.

I withdraw.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 16:33:59 GMT
Sorry, Tinca. Support is your desire. I'm just here to exchange views with people like Ethereal, Carocaro, and others. These people have their own considered opinions. Their opinions are formed from observations in the School of Life. They do not regurgitate the opinions of others. They seem to have learned the basic skill of disagreeing with the subject matter rather than the person. You, on the other seem to behave like a demented creature on some blind crusade. You need to ensure Jerusalem is builded here on this green and pleasant forum, and that your way of thinking will rule the world - it's what people like you do, and have always done.

Maybe you aspire to be a lawnmower but you'll never get there. An old hoodrat has no use.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 17:02:50 GMT
Ethereal says:
Oi, School of Life indeed, I'm young at heart and even managed a bit o' lernin' too ... admit it, the pair of you enjoy sparking off each other, I sense these things!

If you're not working tomorrow I suggest you both swaddle up and get out playing in the snow, then cradle a hot chocolate in front of the pc and all will be well.

Posted on 21 Jan 2013, 17:33:29 GMT
carocaro says:
Ethereal, the suggestion to cool the cloisters and warm or is it arm the heart, I was interested in the debate of ideas. I was also curious of the kindle list that Shelagh posted. Some of the biggest GR's groups links to erotica genres from mild to kink to BDSM to the depraved group have a few of their current favourites there. Jodie Malpass has been talk of the week as her latest book in her trilogy came out. What it shows is sex, kink and a romance are still the main favourites.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013, 18:23:31 GMT
Yes, they are, carocaro, especially among indie book buyers. The book listed at #3 in the Kindle store is in the category literary fiction (Nicholas Sparks) -- or maybe I shouldn't mention that? Seemed an odd category for the novel, but as Michael says, I know nothing.

Posted on 21 Jan 2013, 23:05:07 GMT
carocaro says:
Over on GR though Shelagh the readers aren't bothered whether it is Indie/SP or traditional publishing house small or large as long as they have a good story, edited too. More indie writers are aware and having books edited by small independents and many are doing a pretty decent job now. There are still flotsam and jetsam lumps floating round the tank but things are improving.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jan 2013, 23:30:26 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Ha. It's very difficult to get any "serious" readers (or writers) to look at self-published work, unless they also write it. Most (but not all) of my biggest supporters are other indie writers.

The thing about the next big thing, whether it's romance, kinky romance, paranormal romance, fantasy, etc. is that no one know. Indie writers who've hit big have all done it by writing something that agents and publishers didn't even seem to know there was a market for, so even if you could write what you think would be something more commercially viable, you might not be right.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jan 2013, 23:31:57 GMT
Marion Stein says:
Writers and publishers get to pick their categories. You could list anything as anything.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jan 2013, 23:33:45 GMT
Marion Stein says:
You may be right about that, but are you implying that indies writing lit fiction HAVEN'T been down the "uni" route?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jan 2013, 23:37:07 GMT
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Posted on 25 Jan 2013, 08:45:29 GMT
Ethereal says:
Who, what, splutter ... you called?

Posted on 25 Jan 2013, 09:48:30 GMT
carocaro says:
Ishouldbewriting it would help us if your posts related to which posts your relating to, unless of course they are general comments!

I will respond to one though. Jodie Malpass is an Indie writer and her series This Man (This Man Trilogy) took off with readers big time, so much so that the day her second came out Beneath This Man (This Man Trilogy) it went straight to top ten and is doing well generally. That is in erotica genre.

Another book opposite scale as this is children's genre The Flight of the Griffin by C.M.Gray, is selling moderately well for an Indie/SP but has been picked up by The Times literary critics and long listed for this years Children's Chicken House Literary Prize...we won't know if it will make the cut for short list. It is a quest story of chaos and good with four teenage boys and a shapeshifting girl, daughter of a magician. A lovely story, children's classic style of novel that adults and older children can enjoy.

It doesn't matter if an indie writer has been to uni or not. Good stories come from both sides of the academic fence. What matters to the reader is it is a good story and also edited. Indies got a bad name for typos and poor grammatical conventions. Give a dog a bad name and it takes proof positive and time to shake it off. Trouble is the writer, whether uni degree or not rarely sees their own errors and Mom, hubby or mate from work aren't usually able to do a first class editing job and nor give unbiased opinions either.
Costs yes but there are people who will do a pretty good job for modest costs when considered work they put in for what they charge. So it can be done on the cheap. This gains a growing solid fan base as readers communicate to each other through forums and social media and word of good books is soon picked up and passed on.

Sad facts include some writers think they are bestowing a piece of high quality literary fiction on the world who should be gratefully devouring their creation...but it isn't good at all.
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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jan 2013, 11:02:25 GMT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jan 2013, 11:06:41 GMT
I Readalot says:
Ishouldbewriting - No, I just said that it is rare (but not unknown) to find a successful literary novelist who hasn't been down that route. Not implying anything just making a statement of fact. I have no way of knowing what route unknown and unsuccessful authors have taken.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jan 2013, 16:51:04 GMT
Marion Stein says:
It was in response to a specific post. If you look at the small print it says: "In reply to an earlier post." You can click there and you'll see what it's in response to.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jan 2013, 17:08:40 GMT
Marion Stein says:
In reply to: " I have no way of knowing what route unknown and unsuccessful authors have taken."

Often the same route as their more successful peers.

In the US many people get masters degrees in creative writing, often spending years (and a lot of money) studying under known writers. This is not a guarantee of commercial success or a traditional publishing contract.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it's rare to find anyone successfully writing literary fiction who has not studied literature and/or creative writing extensively. One problem (at least in the US) is that too many people are studying, while the market for literary fiction remains small. MFA grads I know may or may not still be writing (and getting published in lit journals or in other ways) but are more likely to be employed as grant writers, teachers, journalists, etc and/or to have gone on to other degrees in fields like law. I'm also not sure whether "success" is best described by being "known." Success may simply be accomplishing what the writer set out to do. Even if the book is read by a few thousand as opposed to tens or hundreds of thousands, if the work exists, the writer has accomplished something.

Posted on 25 Jan 2013, 17:18:35 GMT
carocaro says:
Sorry I misssed that, thanks for re posting.
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