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I am getting my Marvel story arcs all mixed up....

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Posted on 14 Jul 2013 20:45:38 BDT
I think its harsh to say that everything after 1969 is tripe - really harsh.

Theres lots of great stories out there: Kree/Skrull War, Under seige, Avengers Forever, pretty much all of the buseik/perez run, The Korvac Saga, Avengers/Defenders War, and many others.

Personally I think the problem is the last ten years of the Bendis era. Its not that Bendis is a bad writer, but very few of his stories linger long in the memory - perhaps Disassembled or Breakout, but not many others.

Weve alot of Avengers titles out there, but very few great stories - something pretty much every other generation has had.

Posted on 14 Jul 2013 06:48:11 BDT
For my money, the only Marvel Story arc that really counts is the first one - from 1961-1969. Pretty much everything else after that is unreadable tripe. Sure, Stan managed a couple more years of not-too-bad Spider-Man and Chris Claremont gave it a shot in the arm with the 1975 X-Men re-boot, but really that was the exception. Since then, the best we've had is a couple of good runs on individual titles - Byrne on FF, Simonson on Thor (1980s) and on FF in 1990 ... is it any surprise, then, that movies of Marvel's characters are successful when they go back to the Stan Lee roots and are less successful when they don't?

But then, I am almost 100 years old, so I wouldn't understand anything created after 1970, anyway ...

Posted on 12 Jul 2013 20:04:06 BDT
There are alot of very good Marvel titles out there, but I do agree that the big events have been for the most part underwhelming, with several - AoU chief amongst them - being entirely pointless.

I would rather see a truely great crossover event once every couple of years than the two crap ones we get each year at the moment. I'd also like to see them be more concise with less of the superfluous tie-ins. AoU at least wasnt heavy on tie-ins.

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 09:06:31 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Still enjoying my Marvel no matter how askew continuity goes with Earth Shattering Events every quarter, suspend your Credibility Sense and it's not so bad. It would seem though that The Ultimate Universe has the most likely continuity, after all that happens Society fractures in serious ways; I'm referring to the 'Divided We...' arcs

Posted on 11 Jul 2013 03:07:05 BDT
dregj says:
it was secret invasion (with the skrulls)
not secret war (latverian assault lead by nick fury turns out ot be an illegal mission)

secret wars was an 80s cross over were some god like being called the beyonder
abducted all the marvel a listers so they can fight on an alien planet
so he asses the concepts of good and evil or something

Posted on 4 Jul 2013 22:05:52 BDT
Jase W says:
The problem with Marvel and DC comics is nothing matters, nobody really dies or ages or moves on, there's no jeopardy in anything it's all pointless and endless, there's never a denouement.

Posted on 25 Jun 2013 22:18:24 BDT
M. Coxwell says:
I've found that it's just best to read what you want to read and not worry about the rest. For financial reasons I can only afford to follow a few titles and so I've gone for what interests me -which is the three core Avengers titles: Avengers, New Avengers and Uncanny Avengers. I'm perfetly happy with what I'm reading and not bothered at all by any continuity issues that may arise. It's the story that I'm reading which interests me, not how it fits it with other stories and other titles that I have no interest in. Thus far that approach seems to have worked.

Similarly, the 'big events' I can take or leave. I've read quite a few of the recent ones but haven't bothered with the ones that don't interest me (World War Hulk, Fear Itself, Age of Ultron) and I don't feel that I've missed out or have been 'left behind'.

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Posted on 30 May 2013 13:06:20 BDT
Axel McAsset says:
Now that Age of Ultron has kicked in, the MU is more confusing than ever. I'm only 7 issues in, but I'm confused as hell. I'm reading New Avengers, Avengers, Superior Spiderman, Iron Man, the Mighty Thor, Wolverine and AU, and none of them seem to meld together. It's as if they're in different eras, or alternative realities.

I read in a forum discussion on the Marvel website, that Marvel run a "4-month" continuity rule. So issue 1 of Iron Man could be 4 months down the line in continuity terms as Avengers 1 which was released the same week, whilst New Avengers 1 could be 2 months down the line, and so on.

That kind of temporarily helps me stop getting "Continuity OCD", but I don't know if it's official policy or not. Either way, I'm still a bit confused. Maybe the climax of AU will clear things up a bit.

What I need is for someone to do an intricate Marvel timeline, that lists what happens in date order. For example - May 1st: Iron Man defeats the Mandarin (Invincible Iron Man issue xxx), May 2nd: Thor gets twatted by the Phoenix Force (AvX issue xxx), Spiderman stops the Vulture (TASM issue xxx). And so on.

Actually, cancel that. I used to follow a similar timeline but for Star Wars comics and the fact that someone (a fan) actually spent time doing that helped me in leaving that franchise well alone for good.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jan 2013 23:40:01 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
Excellent point Ben. Wasn't the DC 'Crisis' arc supposed to tidy things up in thier bit of the multiverse?

Posted on 17 Jan 2013 17:54:02 GMT
'story arc fatigue' has set in.....maybe The in The Boys: The Name of the Game v. 1 could nip across the multiverse and do a bit of a cull ?

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jan 2013 17:07:10 GMT
The Marvel Universe does have 'Damage Control', who are specifically trained and equipped to rebuild things after super hero battles, and also 'Code Blue' who were the official superhero 'police'. Back in the day whenever anything got broken, Ironman would tell the victims to change it to the Maria Stark foundation.

Now it is true to say that massive damage and loss of life is caused pretty much everyday, the authorities seem to do nothinng to respond or prevent it, and the civilian population seem to just take it despite the massive uproar that the Stamford disaster caused - which remains one of the few recent examples of when super people actually managed to upset the public.

Posted on 17 Jan 2013 11:00:42 GMT
CunningSmile says:
Between Marvel's endless cross overs in the hopes of forcing me to buy comics I'd never normally bother with and DC resetting everything I've pretty much given up reading comics for the first time in my life. Can't these money hungry behemoths just get back to letting us follow the two or three characters we actually care about without turning everything in to a world shaking event across a million dimensions?

Posted on 16 Jan 2013 23:24:34 GMT
Ghostgrey51 says:
All good points made here, I just returned to Marvel 2 years ago and not only is continuity askew, but even for a comic book world The Big Events get credibilty dragged beyond its limits. Just to name a few recent ones Civil War, Secret Invasion, Siege, Fear Itself and AvX (oh yes and out of date sentinels running about the place in X-men's Schism and those odious Purifiers burning anyone that has slightly large ears). That makes 3 serious wars and three very large civic disturbances, all that would make for a very high civilian body count, some very serious Infrastructure issues and a distinct social lurch; yet in some issue we will see opening scenes of sunny skies, happy shinny people and an undamaged skyline. To make this logical how about a new Marvel Comic 'The Civic Force' comprised of folk who (a) re-build places very quickly (b) settle the stock markets down (c) counsell who communities in one go (d)and ensure a constant flow of newly trained personnel to the emergency services (e) do other stuff I've forgotten about.
Trouble is I still enjoy reading my Marvel....oh well.

Posted on 15 Jan 2013 19:46:18 GMT
I agree Chief. as when many of the stories are well crafted it lets things down a bit when the wider universe has glitches - but its all so complex I doubt anyone could connect all the dots...

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2013 23:22:06 GMT
Marvel have always said they pride themselves on continuity, and in the past there were the likes of Mark Gruenwald who was a continuity king and always ensured that any title he wrote or edited made sense.

Now it doesnt seem so much of a big deal for them, which I find disappointing because as a fan I also dont like loose ends, unresolved stories, stupid retcons or appearences that dont make sense.

Posted on 14 Jan 2013 18:32:30 GMT
Confusing stuff Chief. (love that fullstop by the way) - this calls for a new hero/villain to bestride the Marvel Multiverse....the Continuity the Watcher but with an obsessive need to sort of tidy things up a bit, assisted by his herald Feng Shui...

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 20:15:48 GMT
Seduction of the innocent was a peice of McCarthey era scaremongering and is no more credible than todays 'video games turn children into murderers' theories. It was written at a time when the main genres of comics were war, romance, crime and horror.

As for Marvel and its big events, my advice is just dont think too hard or alternatively avoid them all together. There are plenty of decent Marvel comics that do not tie into the big events too much.

Marvel NOW, despite not being a crossover, has probably created more confusion than most. Peter Parker is 'dead' over in his own title, although he appears to be him in the Avengers. Cap has a new costume - or he doesnt - depending upon which title you read - or he's in an alternate universe (or isnt). Ironman is in space in one title, but on Earth in others, and so on...

Marvel came out and said they wouldnt be doing a New 52-esque reboot and that continuity was essential to the marvel universe. Not that essential so it seems...

Posted on 8 Jan 2013 16:58:57 GMT
but its stretching my mind all out of shape in space and time...from the Negative Zone to the Savage land from possible futures time looping back into forgotten pasts...oh no...don't mention that Sentinel wonder the mental health of the youth is crumbling...
perhaps that psychiatrist was onto something...

Seduction of the Innocent is a book by German-American psychiatrist Fredric Wertham, published in 1954, that warned that comic books were a negative form of popular literature and a serious cause of juvenile delinquency. The book was a minor bestseller that created alarm in parents and galvanized them to campaign for censorship. At the same time, a U.S. Congressional inquiry was launched into the comic book industry. Subsequent to the publication of Seduction of the Innocent, the Comics Code Authority was voluntarily established by publishers to self-censor their titles.

Posted on 8 Jan 2013 11:46:41 GMT
Guthwulf says:
It's true that changes in events provoke confusion in the regular series. There's no easy way to follow everything, just reading all the series as they are published, or accept that you won't understand every change that happens in a series you're not following

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 19:24:25 GMT
thanks Javier, for the list and the answer - more than my silly question deserved : I wonder if the arcs put some people off with their complexity, and whether one MEGA-EVENT piled onto another is too much ? Stan Lee's magic was to create the excitement of change without major real changes happening - but the Arcs almost make that illusion shatter - as various combinations of characters are played off against each other, die and come back as mates again - and each Big Bad has to be BIGGER and BADDER than the one before.......coming soon the invasion of the Galacti (in which an army of army made up of lots and lots of Galactus guys - created accidentally when Reed Richards special gadget went wrong...invade earth...with hilarious consequences ....

or next Planet Stiltman - whe the awesome Stiltman takes on the entire marvel universe...

Posted on 3 Jan 2013 17:07:41 GMT
Guthwulf says:
-Secret War (mini-series)
-Avengers Dissassembled (last saga of Avengers v3)
-House of M (event)
-Decimation (status quo)
-Civil War (event)
-The Initiative (status quo)
-World War Hulk (event)
-Secret Invasion (event)
-Dark Reign (status quo)
-Siege (event)
-Heroic Age (status quo)
-Fear Itself (event)
-Battle Scars (status quo)
-Avengers vs X-Men (event)
-Marvel Now (status quo)

Every summer there's an event that changes some things in the Marvel Universe (Civil War, Secret Invasion, Siege) and afterwards there's a status quo that shows the consequences of that event. During the status quo the series just progess as they are, sometimes showing the consequences and other times as an isolated story

Posted on 27 Dec 2012 16:06:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Dec 2012 18:37:00 GMT
but am I right in thinking that the Norman Osbourne who was actually a skrull spy during dark reign actually planted the bomb on the ship that triggered the Planet Hulk scene - causing the brief death of Captain America ?

Posted on 27 Dec 2012 10:40:22 GMT
suppose so....

Posted on 27 Dec 2012 06:23:28 GMT
Last edited by the author on 27 Dec 2012 06:24:06 GMT
I stopped worrying about my Marvel reading order a long time ago it's to much of a pain in the ass!
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