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  • Publisher: Tantor Media, Inc; Unabridged edition (22 Sept. 2008)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1400158745
  • ISBN-13: 978-1400158744
  • Product Dimensions: 13.5 x 1.5 x 18.8 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 2.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews)
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"O'Donnell's richly layered book provides significant glimpses into the many factors that leveled a mighty empire."--Publishers Weekly

"An exotic and instructive tale, told with life, learning and just the right measure of laughter on every page. O'Donnell combines a historian's mastery of substance with a born storyteller's sense of style to create a magnificent work of art. Perfect for history-lovers and admirers of great writing alike."--Madeleine K. Albright, former U.S. Secretary of State

"A vigorous history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire."--Kirkus Reviews

O Donnell s richly layered book provides significant glimpses into the many factors that leveled a mighty empire. --Publishers Weekly"

A vigorous history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. --Kirkus Reviews"

An exotic and instructive tale, told with life, learning and just the right measure of laughter on every page. O Donnell combines a historian s mastery of substance with a born storyteller s sense of style to create a magnificent work of art. Perfect for history-lovers and admirers of great writing alike. --Madeleine K. Albright, former U.S. Secretary of State" --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

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The dream Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar shared of uniting Europe, the Medi-terranean, and the Middle East in a single community shuddered and then collapsed in the wars and disasters of the sixth century. Historian and classicist James J. O'Donnell--who last brought readers his masterful, disturbing, and revelatory biography of Saint Augustine--revisits this old story in a fresh way, bringing home its sometimes painful relevance to today's issues.

With unexpected detail and in his hauntingly vivid style, O'Donnell begins at a time of apparent Roman revival and brings readers to the moment of imminent collapse that just preceded the rise of Islam. Illegal migrations of peoples, religious wars, global pandemics, and the temptations of empire: Rome's end foreshadows today's crises and offers hints how to navigate them--if present leaders will heed this story.

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There has been such a glut of historians chronicling the demise of the Roman Empire and the immediate aftermath (if the next 500/1000 years can be termed such). On my shelf are Tom Holland (Millennium: The End of the World and the Forging of Christendom - Sep 2008), Chris Wickham (The Inheritance of Rome: A History of Europe from 400 to 1000 -Jan 2009), Adrian Goldsworthy (The Fall Of The West: The Death Of The Roman Superpower: The Long, Slow Death of the Roman Superpower - Feb 09) and Peter Heather (Empires and Barbarians: Migration, Development and the Birth of Europe -June 2009). Collectively they catalogue the politics of a marbled empire to descending into brutal muddy village squabbles. For the general reader seeking good writing, not an academic or someone needing to pass exams these books are - at best - dull. The problem is they cover so much, politics and military entanglements, emerging economic, social and ecclesiastical structures. The evidence is complicated and controversial, as are the primary sources and archaeological data. For much of the time it seems we are living with academic bickering. Is there a clever, passionate author with an `angle of attack' to open the door? An example Niall Ferguson "The Pity of War", no means an easy book he gave a unique perspective on World War 1.

And so to James O'Donnell, certainly a book with a clear angle of attack rooted in the sixth century when Rome is generally accepted to have fallen. Amid considerable detail and no shortage of digressions, this book is hard line revisionism. The collapse was in spite of the Barbarians not because of them. As he says in his preface "the stories I weave together will be unfamiliar to most readers".
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I bought this book after reading favourable, but not academic, reviews. I couldn't finish it because of the author's affected style, frequent pomposity (cf Preface and passim), and general air of being very pleased with himself. His suggestions for further reading might have included Ramsay Macmullen to whom he is proabably more indebted than he admits. Beta minus, I'm afraid.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Frustrating and Provacative 20 Jun. 2015
By James P. Patuto - Published on Amazon.com
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Mr. Odonnell is all over the map with this book, but this is a book that should be read for anyone interested in History, yes history,all history not simply Roman or early Middle Ages. For starters I remember a question on a Western Civ exam at Rutgers in 1965 [do they still have required Western Civilization courses , I really doubt it, too bad] "475 AD was a date of transition or not? Discuss" [that's a paraphrase], anyway if you didn't cut too much you knew 475 ,the date the last Western Emperor of Rome was deposed , was NOT a date of transition, it was simply the reality, that the so called Barbarians, had for a long time absorbed and were absorbed by the Roman Empire, and by ending a Roman figurehead, there was continuity in Italy and much of the old Roman World, O'Donnell repeats this in detail, still fighting the popular myths of Barbarians , coming across the Alps and Rhine in great hordes, despoiling a settled Empire and it's society. But O'Donnell doesn't stop here, he goes on with religion, wars, plagues , and musing about was there ever a chance for the world, to really accept a full civilization that would cross false geographic borders, uniting the Near East with Europe and ending about two thousand years of tragedy and warfare? He says yes way back by Alexander the Great and he finds fault with almost everything that happened since Alexander's early demise wrecked any chance of a coherent Empire.He does love him some Theodoric and really hates Justinian who in a counter intuitive argument , was the real cause of the ultimate downfall of the Roman Empire at least Roman Cultural and economic society.At least this seems to be one of O'Donnell's theories. This is a tough book to characterize, and I certainly don't buy all the arguments,and there are many on diverse topics, I also feel that O'Donnell culls facts to support his arguments, but I think he almost winks at the reader saying "Ok here is some support for what I believe, ignore other facts" , he has a folksy style that belies the heavy and sourced materials. This is a book well worth reading. It makes you think !
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3.0 out of 5 stars The Real Story - though overly detailed and difficult to follow at times 13 Jan. 2017
By Loyd Eskildson - Published on Amazon.com
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Why did the Roman Empire collapse, and what lessons could the U.S. learn from that? For 200 years after Caesar's death in 14 BC, the Roman Empire maintained an impressive prosperity. Then a series of lost opportunities, blunders, and wars brought about its end.

The most prominent citizens of the Roman empire in its most prosperous times lived far from Italy (mainly in the cities of the east) and owed their wealth to many factors, of which the Roman peace was only one, and not indispensable. Local cultures were distinct from each other. Dissolution often threatened the hold of the imperial regime over its far-flung realms - between 235 and 284 dissolution very nearly prevailed, when the longest-reigning emperor of that period was a usurper too marginal for more serious but shorter-lived contenders to bother taking time to exterminate. The remaking of empire in 284 and after, first by emperor Diocletian and then by Constantine, was intended as an expression of continuity, though much had to change in order to create a stable new regime.

If Rome did not fall in 202 BC (its victory in the second Punic War) or 476 AD, when did Rome fall? The sacking of Constantinople in 1453 is suggested by Gibbon. The balance of power in medieval Asia Minor had tilted strongly toward the Turks 200 years earlier, when the other Roman Empire and its allies and friends, the crusaders, overthrew the Christian empire of Constantinople. Mehmed the Conqueror dismantled the dilapidated city's rump of an empire in 1453, securing Turkish domination. Mehmed saw himself as the successor to the Roman emperor, and thus in a way Constantine's fundamental vision was sustained intact till 1924 - the last gasp of the Ottoman empire.

Nero's death let fall a crown, and in the year 69, provincial generals Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and finally Vespasian grasped at it, from outside Rome. After 69, emperors spent more and more time with their armies and on the frontiers. Hadrian in the early second century and the Severan emperors around 200 were away almost as much as they were home. Rome was a military backwater and many successful emperors never saw it during their reigns. Constantinople, on the other hand, was a palace town, almost constantly aware of the presence of an emperor after Theodosius's death in 395. The military cities in the west lost their prestige when in 402 emperor Honorius retreated to the Italian city of Ravenna, with its Adriatic port offering ready sea communication to Constantinople. He and his brother Arcadius in Constantinople stood at the front of a long line of emperors who were mostly figureheads, living in the capital and delegating military leadership to the able.

Rome's emperors continued to care for the city when they had time, but dramatic losses befell the city as well. The senate still met, traditional offices were filled, and the old families clung to wealth and position - but their numbers were greatly diminished. By the sixth century, there may have been only a very few dozen active senators, linked together in less than a dozen families. Their pedigrees were often sketchy as many rough-bred military husbands post Constantine married into distinguished but impoverished families grateful for protection and the sometimes ill-gotten wealth of their new sons.

Rome had a population of 1 million or so in the second century, but it was estimated to fallen to 800,000 by 400, when Constantinople and Ravenna eclipsed Rome's function as a capital. Rome lost half of that in the next 50 years, marked by Alaric's brief sack of the city in 410, and it lost another half or three-quarters by the late 400s, when the Vandal raid of 455 distinguished itself as the world of a half century of indignities. There may have been only 100,000 left by A.D. 500. The fortunate followed power to other capitals, while others died, fled, or failed to reproduce.

To the historical eye, change was everywhere and continual. The Rome of Augustus had acquired, in the 3rd and 4th centuries, sturdy new perimeter defense walls towering 40 - 50 feet. Fourth-century sources counted 28 libraries, six obelisks, eight bridges, eleven forums, ten basilicas, eleven public baths, eighteen aqueducts, nine circuses and theaters, two triumphal columns, fifteen fountains, twenty-two equestrian statues, eighty golden statues, twenty-four ivory statues, thirty-six triumphal arches, 290 granaries and warehouses, 856 private baths, 254 bakeries, and 46 brothels.

The sixth-century brought farmers diverting some of the aqueduct water for mills and irrigation (allowed because maintain the aqueducts was expensive and difficult, especially as demand fell), the grain supply no longer flooded the city at the tax collector's command every year - the government in Africa kept its grain or sold it at market prices. Gladiatorial contexts in the Colosseum ended under mainly Christian emperors, probably because they lost popularity or competition from chariot racing. Wild beast hunts lasted into the sixth century, with loses devoured by their would-be prey. In the 470s individual senators and families had their names carved on their own particular seats.

Rome and much of what it had conquered were unready for empire - the Romanization of the west came about through establishment of colonies of retired soldiers and the extension of institutions of Roman government and taxation to the new countries. A little emperor worship and a lot of taxpaying were enough to satisfy the government, and Latin was the language of prestige among elites - unless you knew Greek. Carthage, destroyed in 146 BC, then reborn from the ruins, might claim to be the second city of the west, but there was no serious candidate for third. Much of the countryside of Gaul and Spain, as one moved farther from the Mediterranean, was still underdeveloped. Bordeaux and Tours marked the rough limits of real urbanization and Romanization in Gaul, the their rivers flowed westward, away from the Mediterranean and thus were not good trading partners for the rest of the empire.

Frontier societies on the Rhine and Danube were the liveliest places in the Roman west - a thriving military where tax revenues gathered elsewhere were spent to support soldiers and officials who were in many respects economically idle and useless. Those living across the river were immune from Roman taxation, but attracted by the spending on the frontier. They also learned from the Romans, especially the German barbarians.

No Roman ruler seems to ever have had a coherent notion of what would become of the world beyond Rome's northern frontiers (Britain and Ireland). The Arabs seemed eternally negligible, the Sahara made a satisfactory defensive barrier to the south. Rome settle for stasis and imagined that could be permanent. Rome chose to be the captive spectator and passive victim of events across the Rhine and Danube. Every emperor from Augustus on shares blame for that passivity.

It all started with a refugee crisis. Stretching from the Dnieper River in Ukraine to the Great Wall of China is the natural home of those who flourished on the grasslands of the steppes. Horsemen of the steppes moved across the map at speeds unimaginable for human transport anywhere else in the world; they also learned raiding and elbowing locals aside. Their western enemies called them Huns.

In 373, the Huns began to move into lands where the Romans would hear of them. Locals moved deeper inside the Roman territory. Eventually, the Roman army set out to make an example of the visitors, whom they had offended with their own high-handedness - only to be themselves thrashed. The expanse beyond the river turned into a non-man's land - nothing but threats for the Romans. Rome would fight the rest of its wars on the northern frontier inside its own boundaries.

Then came the Vandals, and others. Once they (and the Visigoths) crossed Roman boundaries, they sensed their own power - and their unity was strengthened by being demonized by the Romans. Losing Africa and its abundant grain, meant the Roman Mediterranean would never again be a unified empire.

Marcellinus wrote that after 476 A.D., Gothic kings held Rome. Never mind that there was another western emperor (Julius Nepos) whom Constantinople recognized, and was still in business as late as 480. There also came a push to establish a single form of Christianity throughout the world. This led to ruinous wars of the 530s through the 550s, and made the desired unity impossible to attain. It did, however, ensure its subjects would worship Christ for 900 years, though not with one voice.

In the 6th and 7th centuries, Roman emperors were compelled as never before to attend to worlds beyond their frontiers.

Emperors flunked basic economics. No Roman emperor had a reasonable idea of the prosperity of his realm, except in the most general terms and mainly long after the fact. No emperor could say, if asked, what steps he/his government might take to improve or weaken the economic fortunes of a region, except that conquest of neighbors might provide plunder and imported wealth, and that tax relief would make the emperor popular. It is a miracle, therefore, that Rome survived as long as it did.

Justin II should have made peace at the eastern frontier on a basis of agreed spheres of influence and a common interest in trade. Justinian should have made his way to the eastern front - Persia, where he would have been welcomed. Likely contact with India and China would have occurred. Instead, Muhammad's heirs did so, and the world hasn't been the same since. Justinian also should have cemented relations with the west.

Peacemaking east and west would have left Justin II ready for the most critical task - pacification and development of his homeland in the Balkans. O'Donnell also suggest that Justinian should have taken religion a bit less seriously. Instead, he ended up confirming Egypt in its hostility to the throne and his religion, and seeing Syria turn decisively against the metropolis as well. Overall, Justinian never fought a war he should have fought, and was too eager to fight the ones he needed have. Thus, a self-inflicted ruin of the Roman empire.
7 of 7 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Definitely gave me another view of the so called "fall ... 9 Feb. 2016
By Martina Schwarz - Published on Amazon.com
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Definitely gave me another view of the so called "fall of the Roman Empire". It was from the inside out not invasions from the 'outside' that did them in. These 'barbarian hordes' turn out to be disgruntled mercenaries who after having worked for the Romans know their business incredibly well. Gives one, a new insight on our modern immigration problems. What works and what doesn't....
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5.0 out of 5 stars As a scientist, not an historian, I found this book fascinating 3 Jun. 2013
By Daniel B. Botkin - Published on Amazon.com
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As a scientist who deals with human connections with the environment, including cities and their environment, and as someone who keeps wondering if our civilization's fate is going to be the same as Rome's, I found this book fascinating and a pleasure to read. The author writes in a pleasing style and has a wry sense of humor, especially when he compares events in Rome's history with today's events in the U.S. He writes broadly, at times discussing whether and when technology beats geography, and what role geography, and therefore, environment, did and did not play in the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. Obviously, I cannot judge the book as a professional historian, but I found it helping me think through in new ways our modern situation, especially regarding our highly technological civilization and our environment.
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Rome wasn't destroyed in a day, either 21 Mar. 2016
By Constant Reader - Published on Amazon.com
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Great book if you are already familiar with the time line of papal succession and both Latin and Orthodox Emperors...Byzantine in both the literal and figurative senses, contradictory to classical reasons for the downfall of Rome (Gibbon, et. al), depressing in comparisons with today's political and global zeitgeist...topped off with footnotes and sources that are approximately 30-40% of the book. Heavy going even if you know the history and differences of various schisms and heresies.
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