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Initial post: 6 Sep 2013, 17:47:16 BST
MikiV6 says:
This was one game I have been looking forward to since I heard about it. There has been a lot mentioned about it from various sources that have said that it would be free to play, etc.

Unfortunately, when this game gets released you are going to be paying £54.99 here at Amazon but, and believe me this is one big BUT, you are only going to be able to play this online for 30 days. After the initial 30 days, you are going to have to pay a monthly subscription to continue playing. The basic monthly (and note the word basic here) sub will be around $12.99 around £8.99. From what has been said, this basic sub is exactly that, basic. This will be a multi tiered system, the more you pay the more you get.

Gotta hand it to Zenimax Online for pulling out all the stops when it comes to getting as much money as possible. Previous games have gone down this route and had to revert back to free play as it just was not working for them. Personally, I will certainly not be buying this game nor paying a subscription to play.

Good luck Zenimax, lets hope this does not come back to bite you all on the rear end.

Posted on 12 Sep 2013, 09:29:25 BST
misty says:
I'm a huge fan of the series too, and have my ps4 pre-ordered for November. However the subscription price does seem a bit excessive. £9.00 per month (for basic) is asking a lot from the players. Even if I could afford it I would still refuse; the game price itself should be enough! I hope that sales will mirror my feelings on the matter and Zenimax is forced to have a "rethink"

Posted on 17 Sep 2013, 13:42:16 BST
MikiV6 says:
I'm with you on that Misty. It may well backfire on Zenimax, just like it did with the other subscription games. Time will tell. :)

Posted on 26 Sep 2013, 16:42:54 BST
If it's better than Warcraft, (possibly set to be one of the best games ever?) then it's totally justifiable.

Posted on 3 Oct 2013, 20:49:02 BST
Tom McDermid says:
Greedy developers,game price is already high.
But hey,lets milk gamers for another £100 or so a year, to play a game you already bought.
Yes,that does seem like a good deal!

Posted on 9 Oct 2013, 02:47:03 BST
Liam A says:
Not gonna be getting this either due to subscription cost and the travesty that was the skyrim dlc on ps3. Safe to say i don't have much faith left in bethesda when it comes to sony consoles

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Oct 2013, 06:23:41 BST
Tom McDermid says:
Hi Emily, The difference is that people know WoW is subscription based from the get go.People who have played and enjoyed Bethesda games in the past will buy this,thinking -better version of what I know - then find out about the subscription.Lastly,
if Bethesda make money on this,watch out,every developer will join the cash to play online bandwagon.Caveat emptor!

Posted on 20 Nov 2013, 14:17:13 GMT
A. Brookes says:
I was looking forward in getting this, but then all the costs started to come out. Blending the 3 business models of a premium cost for the game, monthly subscriptions and microtransactions, has left a sour taste in my mouth. Will not be picking this up and will wait for the next stand alone installment from the series (assuming their developers have learnt to code properly by then).

Posted on 28 Nov 2013, 07:07:06 GMT
Runeweaver says:
As soon as i saw the Online part of the title i gave up on this, Bioware tried the same with the old republic,turning a game that everyone loved into a way of making lots of money each month and it failed, alot of people dont have the extra cash to pay each month and developers dont seem to put the effort into the story or npcs ingame when its a mmo, Also Bethesda dont put enough work into their games before release,they spent months after skyrim's release patching very obvious problems that should have been caught before its release, then every patch broke as much or sometimes more than it fixed, That kind of game fixing is one of the things that killed Bioware's Old republic,people wont pay a monthly fee to be beta testers.

Posted on 10 Dec 2013, 20:27:52 GMT
imcg says:
I don't mind paying for a subscription if the game is worth it. However, I would like to think they would offer a free trial to really see if you would like the game. This way people can decide themselves whether the fee is worth it for them or not, without wasting quite a bit of money. Especially if they go subscription based, I believe that negates the need for a big initial cost.

I don't think there should be various subscription levels or the ability to buy extras in game, that simply rewards the more financially stable players. In all honesty I probably will at least try the game, but I will wait and see how the release goes and get a general idea whether I should commit with the monthly money. I have loved the offline games and hold high hopes for this, but like most others, money is tight these days!

Posted on 12 Dec 2013, 11:54:52 GMT
Paying for a game and then having to pay a sub is an outrage it should be free with a sub or you buy the game and its free to play. Also the dev's have come out and said theres a sub so they didn't have to go down the free to play route with players who spend money being over powered and then there adding microtransactions on top of the sub. Unbelievable move from Bethesda their just trying to make another cash cow like wow. I'm one customer that certainly wont be having anything to do with this game.

Posted on 16 Dec 2013, 21:49:44 GMT
Thank you Bethesda for adding a subscription. Now I don't have to deal with all these whiny little 'Adult Kids' that don't understand the cost of continued content development or infrastructure costs of keeping a game/project like this running. Not to mention all the crap that comes with F2P games too. Tomorrow you should all go into work and collect your weekly/monthly salary. Then from then on out just have people tip you if they want for services rendered. See how long you last working there.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jan 2014, 14:49:37 GMT
P. Dyson says:
It looks like majority of the people above don't understand what an MMO is. Buying the game gives you access to the world, the subscription is because unlike COD, Battlefield etc the gaming world is ever evolving and requires constant high end maintenence to run. A free to play model for MMO's would give you subpar content\infrasture support as the company will rely on microtransctions (IE League of legends\Guild Wars 2 etc). World of Warcraft is an example of a sub based game that has been running for 9 years. During this time the game has evolved numerous times through expansions\patches etc. Even after 9years its still a sub based game with a free to play model incorperated. WoW is still going strong with millions of subscribers. Compare this to your CoD's\Battlefields\batman etc that cost £50 PER game.. for 4-5hrs of campaign gamelplay with repetative MP maps.. If you feel that paying £30-£40 initially to get into the world and then a monthly sub to be apart of an ever changing world, then clearly MMO's aren't for you.

Posted on 20 Jan 2014, 11:53:33 GMT
MikiV6 says:
In reply to your comments Mr Dyson, I understand exactly what your saying, however, there is already a system in place for MMO's utilising the DLC route and not the subscription route that has failed dismally across the board. Many MMO's today have loads of DLC some of which can cost up to £106 and above, to supplement their ever growing communities and development online. Also if you had taken the time to read my initial response to this issue you would have noticed that the subscription system has been shown consistently to fail time and time again. Yes there have been a few exceptions to that rule but in the main most developers would agree that this is not the way to go.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jan 2014, 07:02:08 GMT
Snagglepuss says:
I appreciate exactly what you're saying. I does cost man hours and money to add addition content on a monthly basis to hold the punters interest, but the big but is; it is still a money making racket. if they are making a lucrative income with 10,000 online player and suddenly this increase to 30,000 players, do they ever consider ruducing the monthly fee because they are now extorting triple to what the were before? Not on you nellie. the fact is these capitalists are only interested in their lust for money at the expense of the addicted players who partake in them. The biggest insult to me is the £9.99 subscription charge. It's £10.00 per month for heavens sake and they are hoping we thickoes see it as £9.00 per month. Look at petrol prices at £139.9 per litre. They are advertising a quantity they can't sell you because they can't give you 1 tenth of a penny change! Yet the goverment still allow them to sell fuel at illegal prices.

Posted on 30 Jan 2014, 13:39:55 GMT
Having been a WoW player from pretty much day 1, and also been involved with the Beta testing for ESOL (PC version) I can say that my WoW account will be stopped and the cash transferred to Tamriel!

Is is worth £10 a month? No, it's worth way more!! If you don't want to pay a sub then hey that's cool - don't buy the game and go do something else, but if you want to be involved in possibly one of the truly great gaming events certainly of 2014 (and I suspect much longer) then man up, strap on your sword and pay for the privilege.

Posted on 30 Jan 2014, 15:44:36 GMT
I was against the monthly fees for online play then came GTA V online. The single player element of the game is brilliant and have had four months of pleasure. The online game was nothing like R* had promised and with the added pain of children who thought they where playing Battlefield made me a believe that a subscription is necessary.

I am prepared to give it a try for thirty days then make a decision to trade, if possible or to extend the subscription.

Does anyone one known about the pre-order bonus bonus for the PS4 version?

Posted on 30 Jan 2014, 17:12:34 GMT
Beanbag83 says:
I actually support subs for an MMORPG the running costs involved and the constantly changing/ expanding worlds justify this. However I feel that to charge premium rate price for the game itself is wrong, should be maybe £20 at most. If the developers have faith in the game they're making they will easerly make their money through subs and encourages a large intial player base. It's asking alot to expect players to fork out £54.99 on a game that is going to cost you a further £9+ per month to play, which may turn out to be pretty crap.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014, 16:00:01 GMT
Last edited by the author on 2 Feb 2014, 16:02:51 GMT
K. Matheson says:
Agreed. Having to spend £50-£60 on the game, just by itself, then having to fork out £9 is awful. Just to play the game for the first year will cost the gamer £160-£170(ignore the month of playing you get when you buy the game. Also ignoring the extra £30-ish if you buy the Imperial Edition). This is actually an outrageous amount. I agree that they will easily make enough money through their subs. Obviously they'll make more money that way. So why can;t they help us out and make it a bit cheaper? Or, what if they could offer subscription bundles that offer better value?(Similar to the PS+ offers). Roughly it's about £110 for a year of playing TESO. What if they could make it something like £75 for a year?(or something along those lines). To be honest, I'm not so sure they will make it cheaper. People love the games, so people will actually spend this money. But it would be nice if they could at least try and make it slightly cheaper. I just hope maybe enough people share our views and voice them towards the company. You never know, they might actually alter things slightly???

Posted on 12 Feb 2014, 22:57:55 GMT
I remember being in a similar predicament when Stormreach was released. I paid for the premium version of the game and the monthly subscription. At the time I thought it was fantastic and worth paying the fee as the game world was very large, varied, challenging and ever changing. I personally would have no problems in paying the fee as long as it meets my expectations as Stormreach once did.

Posted on 13 Feb 2014, 13:34:36 GMT
Haines says:
I don't personally think that you should have to pay for the game, to then pay a monthly subscription fee, surely the game should be free download shouldn't it then pay for a monthly subscription thereafter?

Posted on 14 Feb 2014, 12:17:37 GMT
Mr M says:
I think A LOT of people have forgotten that this MMORPG is multi-platform! PC and Mac aren't too dissimilar but incorporating both PS4 and Xbox One into the equation is a WHOLE other matter!

I agree the initial game cost is slightly over priced, but the subscription isn't. They have to cater for players using four different platforms, including an active support system, online maintenance, DLC provisions, online updates etc. The costs involved are HUGE; many many millions of pounds have been spent on creating this game already. Subscriptions alone would not entice investors to such a project.

How the hell would you ever expect a sane investor to fork over money if you said, "Well the game is free and we expect (hope) x amount of subscriptions within the first month, by month 3 x amount, by month 6 x amount and by end 1st year x amount. We hope by the end of the 1st year to have paid off all our initial development costs. By the end of year two we hope to have made a profit." The investor would look at you and think you're blooming crazy! There was always going to be an initial cost, this was a certainty. And given the scale of this project, anybody who thought it would be F2P is being utterly naive!

In approximately 18-24months at the very earliest, I can see ESO becoming F2P. Though a significant change in the price structure is more likely.
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