As with COD MW this sequels best missions are all the British SAS ones, the American missions are just filler as far as I'm concerned, if it wasn't for the British missions in both games, the games would no better than WW2 call of duty's.
It's apparent that Captain Price, Soap and the boys make these games what they are, with that in mind do you think that the next COD should feature ONLY the SAS so we could have a full game of their excellent stealthy exploits instead of the gung ho spray and pray missions of the Americans?
I'd vote for that if I could - I hate all the stupid pro-american crap they spout and the missions always end up feeling very similar whereas the SAS ones are the enjoyable levels that stick with you and the characters are much more likable.
Let's be honest though - Call of Duty is developed by an American team, owned, funded and published by an American-based company and it's biggest market is North America... So no; I can't ever see them doing an exclusively SAS-based instalment.
I would love a British publisher to try something similar to this (bring back Rage and finish Andy McNab's Team SAS :'( ), but as pretty much all games are primarily sculpted to sell in N. America these days, I can't see it happening. I would like a game based around the United Kingdom Special Forces (yes, I have just been reading about them on Wikipedia!), where you have to perform assaults or take down hostage situations as the SAS, fight navally and perform sabotage as the SBS, perform recon as the other one, etc.
Your reply to Triggerhappytel says 'do not feed the trolls''s post:
Now, now people - let's not even go there - no USA-bashing on any threads please. (Or UK-bashing or anything else).
You're all entitled to your opinions, especially regarding those on political cultures not your own etc, but check them at the doors of these forums, please. No need to light a fuse and let this or any other thread degenerate into any excuse to peddle insulting and inflammatory nationalist kak, however insipid, irrational or righteous.
Enough said.
Trigger: I much appreciate contributions such as yours above, mate.
You seem to be reading too much into this cosby, both previous comments to tels were both about the game. The SAS missions are more fun than the American missions, without them I don't think I could play through the single player campaign, running and gunning, when that is what the MP is for against other human players that can think for themselves.
Also the kickass comments do become a bit tiresome.
thanks, ian, no, i know what you mean, - not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but i just didn't take too kindly to the "all the stupid pro-American crap" reference, in particular.
not that mikalos or anyone could possible know what anyone's nationality is instantly, but just didn't see the point in the post going out of its way to write that in, y'know?!
that's all, dude. enough of the serious stuff from me, anyway.
1) There was no "USA-bashing", nor bashing of any other culture, in the posts that preceded yours and I find the idea that you suggest as much quite offensive. The only comment I can conceivably think you mean is my "I hate all the stupid pro-american crap they spout" which, whilst possibly poorly-worded in my early-monring state, quite obviously refers to the characters in the game. Saying things like "We have the most powerful army in the history of the world" & "Every war is our war, we don't get to sit one out" is likely to make most people this side of the pond wince and is in no way a slur on America as a whole, only the poor scripting of the game. I apologise to anyone who feels offended by my comment but would suggest there are much more important things to worry about/be offended by than my post on a UK games forum.
2) Who gave you the right to judge what I or anyone else can post regarding videogames on a videogames forum. I don't appreciate being spoken down and believe that unless somebody is being overtly offensive or abusive that they should be able to speak their mind.
"You're all entitled to your opinions" - I'm glad you think so, but please try not to read too much into people's comments, over-react or preach to someone you don't know.
Just seen your second post and I am astounded that you have pulled me up on that particular comment.
"not that mikalos or anyone could possible know what anyone's nationality is instantly, but just didn't see the point in the post going out of its way to write that in, y'know?!" - I have never claimed to know what anyones nationality is and didn't go out of my way to say it but it's there. I have in no way said anything anti-America as a whole, only in the game.
"not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill" - well you've suceeded. bravo.
Fair point Cosby, but as you say, its a forum, so people are free to say as they please. Yes racism and abuse is uncalled for and has no place on this forum. For instance, a while back some one was using a term that anyone with more than two braincells to rub together would never ever use, the whole forum rallied against him, and he no longer posts here.
To the point of the thread: I am with you Mik and Ian and Tel. Excellent eloquent posts, which is nice to see. Please don't let this thread degenerate into bickering and name calling, and a flame war.
In my opinion (its opinion Cosby, so don't bite my head off), the SAS missions are indeed much more fun, and better executed, a game based solely on this would be awesome. But I agree, that some of the overly pro-american stuff does make me want to vomit, just as it would in a hollywood movie (I am looking at you Transformers 2). Its the hoahing and high fiving that I can't stand. Is this terribly english to say that I prefer the cool calm and stiff upper lip attitude of Soap and Ghost?
Anyway, has anyone played Kuju/Konami PC game The Regiment? I was quite looking forward to it years back as it was due to follow on PS2, but it never did I expect due to a flat retail performance. It was basically about the SAS diffusing situations, etc. I doubt it was especially good, but if nothing else I loved the concept.
It would be great if a bigger publisher would pick it up with a bigger budget and a different (better) developer and run forward with the series. I also think that a non-US military force premise would hold more appeal outside of America (not trying to be political, just a general comment that there are surely certain countries who would rather play as a European/Asian military force, the same as there are those who would similarly rather not play as the British*).
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* Sort of shooting down my own premise there, but I'm just trying to mantain neutrality.
Your reply to Triggerhappytel says 'do not feed the trolls''s post:
Tel - interesting idea. Perhaps play as the icelandic anti-terrorism squad?
No, seriously, playing as another countries' army is a good idea. There was a TV program on not so long ago about the New Zealand equivalent of the SAS. Their training is as hardcore as the British version, and if anything those lads are more nuts than the UK SAS. Plus as part of the commonwealth, they have been involved in all wars around the world for decades. Lets play from their perspective. Just imagining the character having a NZ twang, and cracking open a beer after a mission. I feel that this has a future!
I think the British missions only stand out as the best because of how different they are to the American ones - if you took the American ones out completely they'd have nothing to differentiate themselves from, so consequently would start to get repetitive and dull. The characters in the British missions are just more interesting though - as consumers of Hollywood cinema, we get used to the idea of American characters turning up, shooting the bad guys and roaring away in a sports car with a huge explosion detonating behind them (which probably just killed Alan Rickman). It's always interesting when another nationality gets a shot at being a hero - it's what made Luis Sera in Resident Evil 4 so enjoyable too.
Christ, calm down, y'all. * Miklos - its one comment I picked up on your post, brother. The way you wrote it, albeit in your early-morning state (which at the time i read it, was not alert to your state @ time you wrote it), i just read it and thought to myself, why bother having to describe it as 'pro-American crap' - just thought TBH it would have been enough to leave it that the American missions are boring and not as good. which is your original point. That's all I'm getting at.
* and M.Whitehead - believe me, i have no intention of going onto any forums (i'm not a forum user on anything, apart from only recently starting on these) to 'preach' or accuse anybody of any -isms.
here's the anatomy of the issue for me: i read miklos post; the comment caught my eye; i thought i'd post my own opinion suggesting to EVERYONE generally that comments such as that (despite of the context and no bad intentions) could be used as a platform - and look what we're discussing.
i don't know what the other guy you referred to said or did, but that was him, not me, and good on y'all to get him ousted from here for whatever he wrote.
but again, all i wrote in my post was that the comment - whilst i KNOW it refers to the scripting, could have done without being described as it was. that's all. i didn't pass judgement on miklos or anyone. or preach. but i hope anyone can read that all i wrote was for people to not use it as an excuse to go on and post more sinister or isulting comments on nationality etc.
so, can y'all see that i reacted to the original comment, and responded by attempting to preempt any mischief or more sinister posts arising from it?!
* miklos: listen, man - i seriously hope that you don't think i've boxed you in as some sort of stark-raving xenophobe or anything. i mean, after reading my posts, including this one, can you see the logic behind what i wrote, and why i wrote it? it wasn't to single you out and paint you with the Scarlet Letter or anything.
no. just to emphasize that while the comment - as you wrote it, caught my eye, i thought i'd preempt any mischief arising out of it by appelaing to everyone generally to not let the thread descend into any bashing. can you see that, dude? only had good intentions here. do you see where i'm coming from?
* and about your 2) point - dude, how was I judging what you or ANYBODY posts in this thread?! all i said was, based on that comment - that you've already said was referencing the script of the game - that i hoped it wouldn't be picked up generally by anyone looking to use it as a starting point to change the context of the thread into something more political or sinister. Check my posts again. I'm not trying to tarnish you or anyone with any brush and label anyone as anything - Jesus Christ - all I said was that i expected comments wouldn't be used as a starting point for a negative platform. That's all. Calm down, man.
* i hope y'all aren't going to be dismissive of me in any way for what i posted. i've come to the conclusion that these forums are a great way to be in touch with people all over and have a laugh, as well as get some good tips and info on loads of games. but on those occassions where our posts, views and reactions are made public and are explained and put into context etc, that once people understand the viewpoints, that we can all still feel happy to post here (especially newcomers). unless of course, they are clearly abusive and destructive comments, like that one dude y'all referred to.
anyway - miklos, dude, you're not gonna hold all this against me, are you? i hope not. i would like to continue to post and react to your, and others', posts a lot more, and hope you or others won't be dismissive of these, whether they're dumb or substantive. Whaddya say: cheesy-TV-family-group-hug-moment or what?
Ghost recon for all intents and purposes is an extension of Tom Clancy's rainbow six, with no affiliation to a particular country, and just called in for extreme situations or peace keeping NATO / UN missions. This is highlighted in the fact that the teams are multi-national. GRAW games and the RS6: Vegas games of late have started to lean away from this premise, and are becoming more Americanised. I preferred the original Ghost Recon, as you got to develop your team, improving their accuracy etc, and once they were dead, they were dead. But hey, thats just me.
TTW - I think you are right, comparing the American missions to the SAS ones is a touch one sided, I am yet to speak to anyone that actually preferred the US ones!
Fair enough Cosby, both comments in context (yours and Mik's) seem fine to be honest, Mik did not intend to 'bash' the US nor incite other people to, as generally on this forum there are bunch of solid individuals.
"Trip (PSN - Trip_Hazard) says: AMERICANS ARE D1KS! "
<puts hands to face> Christ; LOL! </puts hands to face>
Sorry Cosby! xx
Again made me lol.
"Mr Whitehead your like a posting Wiki Ledge! "
I wish I had the same level of gaming knowledge as someone like Treab, but I loved the Ghost recon games and have played them all, we just happened to brush against a topic I know and love. And the fact that I am bored out of my mind at work.
Mammoth post Cosby! :) I keep being interupted at work so apologies if I don't answer questions you've asked but in answer to your main question:
"cheesy-TV-family-group-hug-moment or what?" - Absolutly. Can we have a nice bit of instrumental music to accompany it? ;p
I don't think what you said was grounds to be dismissed. What Max was talking about was a guy who was racist, not that pulling me up on something would get you ignored by everyone.
My problem was that your post was written in a generalised manner (as you said) but because I was the only poster other than the OP I understandably presumed you were referring to me and took offense. You hadn't explained that you understood what I was referring to and as such it seemed as though you were making out I was "USA-bashing" etc (though I understand now that's not what you intended either)
As far as I'm concerned we've both explained what we meant and it's water under the bridge. This forum is a good way of chatting with people all over as you said so I look forward to talking to you more in future.
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