Why are evolutionists so dogmatic about their science? Same reason gravitationalists are dogmatic about their science - To understand this, is to understand the first post.
I don' know what's the matter with you all. Gravity obviously doesn't exist. We all surely know that the earth is flat and supported on a giant pile of turtles. The effect known as gravity is the direct attraction between man and the turtles, not the earth. As for the sun and moon, they obviously rotate round the turtles and the stars are just pretty lights on a back cloth used to keep the turtles amused. Turtles are very simple creatures and easily amused. And what is supporting the turtles? Well its turtles all the way in an infinite pile.
"History has shown, those that are dogmatic will be ridiculed by future generations.
Think not?
Any up for a 'flat earth' discussion? " Now I am not supporting flat earth, or sun around the earth, but surely no one scientific would ridicule past generations for looking at the evidence and coming up with conclusions, even if they are wrong - it is only those who do not follow development in understanding that we should question (I not wanting to ridicule anyone!)
Are you saying that people don't guffaw at the realisation that people thought that the earth was flat! Every school kid laughs their socks off! I did then and I still do now!
For crying out loud, even watching old programs would generate mirth in a modern viewer about some of the ideas that were bandied around! For some reason, I find the 50's 'information' ones best.
There is only one must in this life, and that must is for this law, it is wise words, but it is also scientific and explains the law of physics concerning gravity. So when God finally comes down, then you will wonder at what you sent forth, only through penitence and a good soul will you succeed. Whether people in the medievel times thought the world was flat, or not, you should not become proud of what you now know, there is always someone more knowledgeable, only you have in my eyes up till now, failed to know the light, see the good, and the learnt the truth, you have avoided the Quran, which up until recently people were obliged to have faith in, but now with the discovery of the physical evidence and the mathematical code found in the Quran,we now know that the Quran is a the word of God, mathematically composed to prove that God is in control of everything, and he has counted the number of all things and the number of gods counted was one, there is only one God. For nothing to exist, is impossible, everything physical is nothing, the sun is up during the day then it sets, the moon is up at night and then it to goes with sunrise. There isn't a thing that is permanent, everything perishes except His presence.
No vision can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions.
Plenty of people have already performed this test and those of us still alive have nothing more than speculation as a result. To assume that an individual will learn something (post mortem) is to already assume the survival of the self. If, on the other hand, consciousness ceases on death then there is no one there to learn any lesson about what (doesn't) happen.
"every school kid laughs their socks off" - how unscientific - unless you've spoken to every school child?? But seriously does the sun around the earth cause as much laughter? if not why not?
Nice try but no cigar. "Plenty of people have already performed this test" but until you are one of them you haven't performed the test so you cannot test it. If, as seems certain, you will at some time perform the test you will know whether the theory is correct or otherwise. If it is otherwise then you have still performed the test but the results will be negative. They are still results even if you do not experience them personally.
Anyway according to Dawkins et.al probability is on your side - the final outcome will determine whether that probability is accurate or not and to what degree.
There are three sides to a coin not two, you will find the symbolic representation of 3, throughout life and this world, from Olympic medalling, to the three tenses of time, through to the 3 Attributes of God, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent,the Omnipresent. You will find, that each attribute connects to each science, chemistry links with Omniscience of God, physics links with Omnipotence, and biology links with Omnipresent. We know this through the fluidity of mind, the water, liquid and such things as they say such as, 'brain chemistry. The physicality of the body links with food, solid, which talks of the laws such as energy can never be created but can only be used from one thing to another, can be transferred. Then we come to the gaseous substance of the soul, which links with air, and the breath of life. In my opinion becuase we only see 3 dimensionally, we should try and think in threes also, looking for three sides rather just knowing things by their opposite we can bring and use the third dimension which will lead to better ability to reason. We only see where light falls, that was the meaning of the Quranic verse, that no vision encompasses Him, but He encompasses all vision. There are 4 threes just as there are four 3s in the number of month usually denoting the four seasons. There are 12 hours in a day, there are 12 months in a year, 12 is symbolised alot in the Bible from children of Jacob, to disciples of Christ, from throughout the history of Israel up until the dispersion of the Jews after Jesus' death, 12 was a holy and important number. If you add the two digits that make up twelve you get three.
there are 3 attributes, there are three sciences, and also three Arts, and there are three Classics, philosophy, what one knows, linguistics- what one observes, and history- what one learns. These 12 link to the three faculties, Hearing, Seeing, Speaking, which in turn link with the three semitic religions, with Moses it is about hearing, you find examples of when the Children of Isreal said we hear, (but they also said) and we disobey, and such, with Jesus, it is about sight, whether they believe in God, or whether they look at the agent and make him the god and fail to rever the sender, and with Muhammad, it is about learning, throughout the Quran God commands Muhammad to 'say'- God never lists the three according to their faculties of hearing , seeing and speaking, he instead say 'I have given you the hearing, and the eyesight, and the brains'- there is a time and place for everything, and that was not the time to be divulging the secret on three, however we have been given brains in order to learn, because God does say 'deaf, dumb and blind' they are deaf because they do not listen, they are blind because they do not see, and they are dumb because they do not learn.
everything in this life, nothing when we die, and the eternal to come
everything it changes nothing stays the same no one can extinguish this eternal hallowed flame
everything is nothing, nothing is still nothing, the eternal is to come
life, death and resurrection heaven hell and earth angels, devils, humans
When I was at school I was taught that "EH?" was an expression of ignorance. If you don't understand what Mr Hussain says, or disagree with him, just say so, don't reveal your own ignorance.
Theories not solid proofs, but one thing is certain with sight there are three dimensions. after a little research on wikipedia, what I found with the idea of spacetime, both space is seen as 3 dimensional and time is also three in the sense that there are three tenses of time, future, past and present. It is only a combination, of space and time, making time the fourth dimension. The other two M theory and Bosonic String Theory, i can say through your wording are theories. What i tried to achieve with the previous post was to answer their question whether there is anything certain which can prove that with the Quran, you have solid,physical evidence in the way of a numerically structured Book, which shows that God controls everything, with it's simple to the most intrinsic mathematical code based upon the number 19, and top of that if you are native Arabic speaker, you will find when studying the Quran the description of earth is given as egg-shaped, so whether people during medievel times thought the world was flat, based upon their own thinking, it is uncommon among other people that the thought that the world was flat prevailed throughout the various people, the Quran for one, during its revelation proved that knowledge of the shape of the earth was known. i see personally see mother earth as an egg, but with a more complex and far more complex existence, though one could be lost in the structure of an egg in an ovary.just as one could be lost in the multitude and infinite complexity of mother earth.
I was pointing out that when considering any event we define it in 4 dimensions not three. We do not ignore spacetime. So there is no significance in using the three dimensions you describe when we have more. We exist in 4 dimensions at the very least. It has been observed directly by experiment. You have heard of Einstein, yes?
Using your own methodology, i could equally draw significance to the number 2: (Good, Evil) (Up, Down) (Left, Right) (In, Out) (Light, Dark) (Hot, Cold) (Man, Woman) (Celtic, Rangers) (Coke, Pepsi) (Hokey, Cokey).
But does this have any real meaning beyond my own imagination? You refer to passages In the Qu'ran that are now shown to be 'true', but is it not the case that this is interpretation after the fact. You are giving significance to a passage that is vague, such as describing the earth as egg-shaped. In reality the earth is an oblate spheroid, more shaped like a satsuma than an egg. May i ask how your reading of the Qu'ran differs from say a Christian reading the death of Jesus Christ into Psalm 22? Or another example would be Nostradamus' Centuries. Many people attach significance to those writings, and have read them in the light of recent history.
(Century 2, Quatrain 24) Beasts ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers: The greater part of the region will be against the Hister, The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage, When the German child will observe nothing.
Which to some people is a prediction of Hitler and WWII. But it is always AFTER the fact that these two get tied together. Never before. So forgive me if i am not convinced of the significance of your reading of the Qu'ran.
I visited your website was surprised to find that we only have 3 sciences;
"Chemistry is about water Physics is about food Biology is about air"
As someone has already said: EH?! What happened to Mathematics? Why do you say Physics is about food?
I studied Physics and the only food we concerned ourselves with was Takeaway. Surely Biology is about food. The Tree of Life is a veritable smörgċsbord of gastronomic delights.
You packed in a lot of information in one post, I do not know where to begin.
[79:30] He made the earth egg-shaped.*
*79:30 The Arabic word ``dahhaahaa'' is derived from ``Dahhyah'' which means ``egg.''
First point, th translation I find myself reading and devoting to, is the Rashad Khalifa authorized translation called the Final Testament, but I agree prior to his affirmation there was very little understanding or consideration that the earth was egg-shaped. But because I accept him as a messenger, due to the physical proof he provided which shows that there is no coincidence that he is one of God's messengers, so in terms of who I choose to believe, him through whom we learned of the mathematical miracle of the Quran, which settled my faith, or those who came before who for one reason or another were not allowed to divulge this, and are open to the same fallacies that everyone is exposed to. Because messengers are supposed to be guided by God, and clear many misunderstandings and burdens placed by people preceding the messengers. Another fact i am not a scientist, I come from a humble village in the mountains of Kshamir, my name is strange but common, Kash means if in hindi, and if means the same in English, so I may be the only 'if' kinda guy. I think it was Galileo who said, 'God created the universe on mathematics', if we say mathematics is a science, then this pervades over all things that exist, there would be no distinction in science, there is just pure mathematics. The concept which I hold myself to, is that mind, body and soul, have manifested themselves in many ways, even in the 3 sciences, liquid , solid and gas, that was the three i was focussing on. The reason why physics is food, becuase it is the solids we eat to keep our heart pumping, it is about the body and I thought the body was more physics, that gaseous biology which is the soul or liquid chemistry which is the mind.
I have had this same critisim before, why isn't mathematics a science, but for life to survive it needs water, food and air. I recommend the study of R.Khalifa's appedices, to understand the intracate mathematical code found in the Quran.
I think what you are pointing to in the assertion of the number two, is the opposites, there are not two sides to coin, heads or tails, but a middle strip without which you would not have the two opposites of/on a coin, but that does not prove anything more than that there are three dimensions to space not four. With many things three is an important concept, right and left, which are opposites, then there is the nuetral - the middle. Life and death and then there is resurrection, this is the basis of what my idea revolves around it comes from the affirming conviction that there is an eternal life to come, becuase there is everything in this life, nothing when we die, so there has to be the eternal yet to come. Remember space and time, should be kept seperate, there are three dimensions to space and three TENSES to time. Also you will find heaven and hell are opposites but earth is nuetral, same with angels and devils are opposites and humans are neutral, angels know God and can assume the form of humans, the devils see humans but humans do not see them and possess humans, humans can learn and can reflect upon themselves. When you submit to God, when you read and understand and study the Book, the Final Scripture, the Quran, we have the old and the new, which are opposites but then we now have the final, which is nuetral, if you ask a layman if you have the old and the new what is the third they will answer 'the last' i.e the final, in this is a solid proof, i've done this test myself and that was the response i recieved, 'the last'. Praise be to God. As for why God refers to the earth as egg shaped, I have a theory of my own, i view the mother earth as an egg, and just as a sperm enters and fertilizes an egg in the ovaries, in similar manner, we have NASA exploding out of the earth, through various layers and discarding various parts of the rocket to enter space, only when it reaches the moon it places it on it a flag of America. In similar fashion what is expressed in this action is the opposite, of what occurs during the conception of life. No wonder why the Americans are so proud.lol
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