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2.0 out of 5 stars Generally well written, but nowhere close to impartial, 6 Aug. 2010
This review is from: Senna Versus Prost (Hardcover)
The impression it leaves me is that Folley was so delighted and gratified to be given a nice lunch and a fairly in depth interview by Prost in his Paris apartment in 2008 that his efforts to remain impartial thereafter collapsed into a morass of subtle and not so subtle slips that reaffirmed the narrative of Prost as the ultimate gentleman and Senna as the fragile and ruthless newbie who came and stole it all away. As such, the Folley narrative ranges from fair and balanced, to being rantingly anti-Senna. To the extent that Senna's story is told, or his point of view heard in retrospect, it is through the words of the others of the time: Warwick, Brundle, Berger, Walker, Jardine, Leberer et al, who Folley has at least taken the trouble to interview and quote. (Brundle is impressively self-effacing and candid about his standing against Senna...no agenda there. Warwick is also remarkably gracious, as he has been over the years about Senna, who he retains an immense respect for). Meanwhile, Folley's faithful repetition, without the slightest irony, of Prost's claim about Suzuka in '89: "I had no interest to make a crash", is a case in point. This is as disingenuous a statement as we have heard from Alain, up there with his equally laughable claim that he never blocked Senna from the Williams team for 1993 (we all know he did, and Senna called his bluff with his 'I'll drive for free' offer to Williams, to make the point). But the narrative treats it without the slightest scepticism, having described the Suzuka collision simply as "a brash manoeuvre" on Senna's part, which "hopelessly misjudged Prost's mood". Never mind that Prost's block is regarded quite widely in the F1 pitlane as the template professional foul, as premeditated as they come, and that attempting to pass someone going more slowly than you is usually regarded as one of the primary imperatives of motor racing. Instead, Alain's 'mood' is what counts. Needless to say, there are valid criticisms to be made of Senna's career and conduct. What is lost in this book is the notion that Prost had a ruthless and underhand streak, too, and was something other than a serial victim.

A good example of what I mean when I say Folley's narrative varies from level headed to openly ranting against Senna, comes at the conclusion of a passage quoting Senna about the notorious incident at Imola in `89, where Prost accused Senna of reneging on an agreement to not attack each other at the first turn after the race start. Here, Folley quotes Senna:

"On the second start, after Berger's accident, he got off to a better start than me. But I got in his slipstream and accelerated quickly. I was going faster than him. I then started the manoeuvre to overtake him. Not at the first corner, before that. It was when we were braking that we were not to attack each other. We had a momentary confrontation, and then I drove clear. He made a mistake and skidded off the track. He had made a driving mistake, but he was trying to make me take the blame. The original idea was simple: no overtaking as we braked on the first bend. After the race, I had a clear conscience. I didn't think that the whole thing would take on such proportions".

So far, so good. Folley is quoting Senna's point of view, and we have already heard Prost's point of view, at great length over several pages. But here's how Folley goes on, and, to be clear, this is our author talking, not Alain Prost:

Folley: Perhaps that had something to do with the fact that he had not been in the race when Pironi, blatantly, and inexcusably, betrayed the promise he had shared with Villeneuve. Perhaps that had something to do with the fact that Prost had lived with that haunting memory for seven years and knew it would never leave him. What was it Prost said? "Gilles was angry with Pironi and Ferrari, absolutely furious. Later I would fully understand these feelings because I had this with Ayrton. At the next race, Gilles went too far in the car in practice. He killed himself because of that dispute with Didier." Do you really believe that drivers would enter a pact that involved no overtaking before a braking area rather than a more specific location, such as the first corner?

So here we have Folley pouring scorn on Senna's account and using the passive aggressive, if not openly sarcastic "perhaps that had something to do with..." language to frame the narrative in terms of Prost's feelings about it. All that's missing is the jabbing of the author's finger at Senna's chest (Folley even addresses the reader in the first person, as if we're incredibly dumb to have even entertained Senna's side of the story all these years). Not for the first time, we hear that Senna should somehow have been cognisant that his rival's buried feelings over an accident 7 years earlier, before Senna even entered F1, would be triggered, along with the displaced fury that went with them. It's an interesting idea, that F1 drivers should be aware of all the experiences and traumas their rivals have been through, take account of them and act accordingly. This is not to say that there is no argument that Senna did wrong, though I find it tenuous at best to invoke the events of 1982 as the primary determinant of the rights and wrongs of a passing move in 1989, but the whole passage from Folley reads to me like an outburst, more like something you'd read from a partisan poster on an internet forum than something you'd read in book, written by a professional author, billing itself as an impartial account of a rivalry. Senna could be fully in the wrong on this and the point would still stand. This is not balanced writing, it is a framed narrative from someone who either began the exercise as a firm fan of Alain Prost, or became one through his interviews with the man.

The Villeneuve/ Pironi narrative (not only their clash at Imola and Villeneuve's death, but also Prost's involvement in Pironi's crash at Hockenheim), which legitimately altered Prost's outlook on risk, runs like a thread through the book. This is interesting, but it's woven through the story in such a way that it's clear Folley thinks it is directly relevant to Senna's own penchant for risk. It would have been better to note the point and move on, rather than keep bringing it up every time Senna is seen to challenge Prost on the circuit. And Pironi's crash always was a feeble excuse for Prost's dire performance at Silverstone in '88, but trotted out here nonetheless.

More pro-Prost sympathies are in evidence when we hear, to take one example, that he had niggling clutch problems at the WDC decider in the wet in Suzuka in '88. A detail worth noting? Well, sure, even if it's the first I've heard of it in the intervening 22 years. But driving around minor mechanical issues was par for the course at the time and where is the mention of, say, Senna's pop-off valve malfunctioning in Mexico earlier the same year, and limiting his boost (a race which the book just blandly notes was won easily by Alain, with, quote: "a flawless drive")? If one is worth a mention, then so is the other, but the race accounts are generally bereft of such detail and it creates a false impression.

The cover was designed by an idiot: a picture of Prost & Mansell? on the front, and Derek Warrick (sic) is mis-spelled on the rear cover. There are factual gaffes: for example stating that Watson never drove an F1 car again after 1983. Actually he drove the McLaren in '85 after Lauda hurt his wrist, and made comments about how he knew his career was over when he witnessed Senna at Dingle Dell on a qualifying lap (Watson was on an in lap at the time) - an episode that might actually have served the narrative had Folley been aware of it.

It is also somewhat repetitive. How many times do I need to be told the list of greats who have won Monaco?

Early in the interview, Prost had noted that he knows he can't compete with the ghost of Senna, the legacy of a dead hero. As such, this is a book that might actually plug a legitimate market gap because I doubt that Prost's point of view, laughably self-serving though it is, has been aired as fully as the Senna plaudits have aired the legend of the brilliant Brazilian. Had the book been called "Prost's point of view: a rivalry with Senna", or some such, I would welcome it, as written. Unfortunately it is billed as a fair account, and the flipside of Prost's dilemma is that Senna is no longer around to defend himself at all. As such, and fascinating as it will always be to hear his reminiscences, it almost seems like a cheap shot from Prost to have been behind this book in such a way. The final responsibility, though, lies with the author.
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Initial post: 4 Jun 2011 19:26:22 BDT
MARK MCGRATH says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2011 20:21:05 BDT
G Marwaha says:
I think the reviewer is making the point that the book purports to be a balanced narrative of the Prost/Senna rivalry, yet fails on being impartial. At no point has the reviewer said "I am a Senna fan". You can hardly claim to "examine one of the great rivalries of motorsport" if you're not providing a well balanced view. An excellent review and which has helped me decide whether or not I will purchase this book.

Posted on 2 Dec 2011 15:59:12 GMT
HappyZ says:
So you are clearly not a Prost fan then!!
To claim that Prost block on Senna at Suzuka was a 'professional foul' is risible to say the least.
To this day people disagree on who was at fault so to claim that 'the ones in the know' think it was Prost's fault shows you are not well informed - you will not be suprosed to read that I have a different view and that Prost should not be blamed for sticking to the racing line (and you will no doubt claim that in incident in 1993 was also Prost's fault - when Senna acknowledged he deliberately drove him off the track..).

At the end of the day, it is this exact rivalry that made F1 so exciting in the late 80's and early 90s - Prost and Senna did patch up their differences after Prost had retired (didn't Senna say "I miss you Alain" on the very week-end of his tragic accident?). If those two were able to move on, we should do the same.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Dec 2011 16:54:24 GMT
P. Hannam says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n50TWnKujrE&feature=related

Look at Prost's turn to the right, at 23 seconds. His car is pointing to the grass, such that he was on a trajectory to completely cut the apex, by at least several feet and probably something of the order of a car's width. Compare this with his normal turn in, shown, for example, at 1m02s. So this was as far from "sticking to the racing line" as it's possible to be without driving off the track completely, and you are deluding yourself while making a demonstrably false claim.

Yes, of course people disagree about fault because people disagree about everything contentious that ever happens in F1. People still argue that Schumacher did nothing wrong in Monaco in 2006, or Hungary 2010, for example. All I'm sure of is that Prost's 1989 move, which was clearly a foul, would attract sanction by any recent standard, and in the absence of a hyper-partisan party like Balestre.

There's a fascinating piece of footage in the new Senna movie, in which a journalist challenges Prost's claim to have taken a 'normal' line in 89, and his only response is to assert his driving credentials, including the bald fact that he had just secured his 3rd WDC! Plenty of F1 insiders saw this as a deliberate foul, for example Prost's friend Keke Rosberg, who commented something to the effect that you could tell he hadn't committed many professional fouls in his career, because he did such a horrible job in this case.

The later incident I think you're referring to was in 1990, not 1993 (which error makes me wonder if you're the one that's "not well informed"). And, no, I have never claimed that 1990 was Prost's fault: on the contrary, I have always argued that it was wrong on the basis that two wrongs (or in this case, 4 or 5 wrongs...watch the Senna movie for a fairly nuts and bolts account of Balestre's actions leading up to that moment) don't make a right. It was an act of revenge, but revenge is a bad reason to make contact with another car. I also think Senna was in the wrong in 1990 because it has become Exhibit A in the "he was a dirty driver" meme, and because it set the stage for an era when drivers in multiple levels of motorsport (including the most successful of them all) would use the professional foul not because they were serially provoked or just showed bad judgement in the heat of battle, but cynically and as a tool. Witness 1994, 1997 and others.

Yes, almost five years later, there was a personal reconciliation, acts of magnanimity and it's wonderful that this happened before Senna's death. But it has no bearing on the rights and wrongs of this incident.

Posted on 21 Jul 2013 21:40:47 BDT
D. Sedgwick says:
What a title for a book that would have been!! "Prost's point of view: a rivalry with Senna" nah Senna v Prost is fine by me. For my part I found the text very well written and as for Prost's point of view being "laughably self serving" what did you expect!!!!! It's called subjectivity somehting we humans are cursed with - live with it. Did you ever hear an interview with Senna??? Are you in any way at all aware of the massive contradictions in Ayrton's life??? And you reckon Folley is biased??? Crikey the kettle calling the pot black or what.
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