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If you're reading this, the chances are you're either a 'radical atheist' (the preferred term of Dawkins' late friend Douglas Adams, to whom the book is dedicated), hoping that The God Delusion will give you a good satisfying dose of anti-religion rhetoric; or you're a devout believer, hoping to be roundly appalled and outraged.

Either way, you could be disappointed. For the first half or more, The God Delusion is more rigorous and scientifically demanding than we have been led to expect (Jeremy Paxman in interviewing Dawkins called it 'entertaining': well, yes and no). Dawkins goes to great, and occasionally tiresomely great, lengths to detail why the existence of the universe, the development of life and the variety of creation can be comfortably explained by science and probability. And then he gets to grips with traditional justifications for the existence of God, disposing of them in his own neat way. Perhaps these sections seemed superfluous to me as someone who is satisfied that Dawkins is right and there is no God; and doubtless they will seem equally superfluous - in another sense - to those who believe in God and not in Dawkins.

(It's worth saying at this point that when Dawkins means 'God', he means a personal, supernatural creator of the religious scriptures, a God-being rather than the more progressive notion of God as something nebulous that exists in all of us. This is after all the commonly understood meaning of God, which children are taught and most Christian, Islamic and Jewish adults continue to believe in. For sophisticated modern believers, who do not take the scriptures literally, Dawkins doesn't really regard you as religious at all; and you take that as an insult or compliment as you see fit.)

All this is worthwhile but when the book was more than half over, by page 200, and we were still on "The Roots of Religion," I couldn't help wondering when it would all get going. I needn't have worried. Dawkins, who has been quite restrained up until now - his disrespect limited to the odd sneer of 'faith-heads' or referring to the God of the Old Testament as a 'psychotic delinquent' - lets fly with the passion of his true feelings once the subject turns to morality.

And it is a thrilling, invigorating display. Dawkins systematically dismantles all arguments for morality being connected to religious belief in any sense (indeed shows how diametrically opposed much religious teaching is to widely accepted morality), addresses tricky issues like the Darwinian explanation for altruism, disposes of a few sacred cows along the way (Mother Teresa is "sanctimoniously hypocritical [with] cock-eyed judgement," God an "evil monster"), and horrifies us with religion's historical and present-day cruelties and injustices.

The other principal benefit of The God Delusion is that it gives us an opportunity to see all Dawkins' religious arguments in one place, having previously experienced them only in snippets of other books, newspaper articles and TV programmes. And he wastes no time in reiterating some of his favourite rhetoric:

"I think we should all wince when we hear a small child being labelled as belonging to some particular religion or another. Small children are too young to decide their views on the origins of the cosmos, of life and of morals. The very sound of the phrase 'Christian child' or 'Muslim child' should grate like fingernails on a blackboard."

"I have found it amusing strategy, when asked whether I am an atheist, to point out that the questioner is also an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and almost all the other gods that have been invented since the dawn of man. I just go one god further."

And having put the fear of, well, God into us by detailing the dark side of religious belief (Dawkins would argue that there is no bright side: if your good morals and deeds are determined solely by a God you believe in, he argues, you are an "immoral person we should steer a clear passage around"), he is too professional to leave us floundering. Instead he injects the last ten pages with a soaring essay on the passion of science, which "widens the window" on what we can see, and leaves us with a lasting taste of the freedom that can be ours if we can only dare to think for ourselves. It is reminiscent of this beautiful passage from his earlier book Unweaving the Rainbow, which seems a good place to end, letting the wonder of what's really there speak for itself:

"Fling your arms wide in an expansive gesture to span all of evolution from its origin at your left fingertip to today at your right fingertip. All across your midline to well past your right shoulder, life consists of nothing but bacteria.

"Many-celled, invertebrate life flowers somewhere around your right elbow. The dinosaurs originate in the middle of your right palm, and go extinct around your last finger joint. The whole history of Homo sapiens and our predecessor Homo erectus is contained in the thickness of one nail clipping. As for recorded history; as for the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Jewish patriarchs, the dynasties of Pharaohs, the legions of Rome, the Christian Fathers, the Laws of the Medes and Persians which never change; as for Troy and the Greeks, Helen and Achilles and Agamemnon dead; as for Napoleon and Hitler, the Beatles and Bill Clinton, they and everyone that knew them are blown away in the dust of one light stroke of a nail file."
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Initial post: 21 Sep 2010 23:45:26 BDT
N. Greenaway says:
great review

Posted on 30 Sep 2010 11:10:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Feb 2014 20:53:55 GMT
Richard Dawkins:
"I think we should all wince when we hear a small child being labelled as belonging to some particular religion or another. Small children are too young to decide their views on the origins of the cosmos, of life and of morals. The very sound of the phrase 'Christian child' or 'Muslim child' should grate like fingernails on a blackboard."

But the phrase "atheist child" is in some mysterious way entirely different, and "atheist summer camp for kids" will rightly make one's heart swell with pride.

Been there, seen that, but I decided that surrending my intelligence on the basis of a near-hysterical rant was too big a price to pay for a T-shirt.

(Thanks to Queen's Gambit for correcting my selling.)

Posted on 25 Apr 2011 23:05:56 BDT
great review. however, this book does not just appeal to devout theologists and atheists. It also appeals to the sceptic, a category of which many people fall under.

Posted on 8 May 2011 10:32:12 BDT
"our predecessor Homo erectus". Currently archeaology thinking is that homo erectus was not a descendant of homo sapien or homo Neanderthal, its actaully a distant cousin. Homo sapiens are believed to be have an intermediate called homo heildelbergensis [dont no how to spell it] before homo ergaster. It is homo ergaster that paelontologists believe that homo erectus was descended from, and that homo erectus became extinct in Asia.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Sep 2011 21:37:37 BDT
A. J. Davies says:
And your pedantic point is?

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Nov 2011 18:29:56 GMT
Last edited by the author on 4 Nov 2011 20:01:01 GMT
@Bradbury - No, a young child would not be considered to be an "atheist (not aethist) child" either, if you take the term atheist to mean someone who denies the existence of any kind of intelligent deity. The point being that a young child is unlikely to have formulated for itself *any* coherent viewpoint on the origin of the cosmos that is likely to persist into adulthood.

Also for many atheists the point is simply that, in the absence of evidence, universes created by intelligent deities are just one of the innumerable possibilities (many of which we may not even have envisaged) and that the features of our universe that attracted many of our ancestors towards a theist interpretation are now explained more simply by other ideas.

Posted on 19 Mar 2012 21:22:00 GMT
burttoli says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Sep 2012 09:01:32 BDT
There isn't one. Death? Is that it? Oh, no!!

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013 20:43:57 BDT
opus says:
Well put. When the boot is on the other foot they can't see the point. An atheist acquaintance of mine (knowing full well my views) always insists on making it clear even those who do not know me that I am a member of religion (X). Naturally they believe him. Nice of atheists to not merely label children but regard apostasy as impossible. It is their holier-than-thou-ness of atheist that disgusts me. Atheism is merely the (non) underpinning of liberal Marxist fascism.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Aug 2013 18:19:41 BDT
You should know how it feels to be an atheist as believing in religion (X) you don't believe in religion (Y). Atheists just go a step further and don't believe in religions X or Y or religions A,B,C... and there a lot more religions than there are letters in the alphabet. It's true that some atheists find it hard to take religious people seriously in the same way as one might be dubious about people who believe in fairies or a flat earth.
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