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When will they get it?,
This review is from: Ginger Baker: Hellraiser (Hardcover)
I am a huge Clapton, Bruce and Baker fan - the music they made in the sixties is one of the eternal joys of my life - I never get tired of listening to those amazing improvised live performances as well as the studio stuff and all three were truly extraordinary. I read Clapton's biography and was disappointed - Baker's is worse. True, it is an easy read but he comes across as an agressive, amazingly selfish, self obsessed thug. When will these so called 'stars' realise that we are interested in them because of their increadible musical talent - that is why we go to see them time and again and pay handsomely for their performances and music. Why cant we hear about their talent and not the long endlessly boring stories of drugs, women and generally appalling behaviour? We can all do that. What we cant do is play the drums like Baker and that is why we are in awe of him. So sadly this book was another lost opportunity, like Clapton's, and really rather dull - Baker's agression, appalling treatment of his wives and other people generally and his various financial disasters, not to mention the huge drugs issues, just serve to diminish him in our eyes. Please tell us how you became so astonishingly brilliant at drumming and we will appreciate you far more. a little bit of acknowledgement to your millions of fans who have allowed you to pursue this outrageously self indulgent lifestlye might not go amiss either!
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Initial post: 7 Oct 2010 00:13:59 BDT
Last edited by the author on 7 Oct 2010 00:14:23 BDT
He became a drummer because he had a brilliant teacher by the name of Phil Seaman who was an addict and lost most of his wealth to heroin. These guys are not heroes, in fact they are pretty much losers. Don't be in awe, buy yourself a kit and practice eight hours a day for the next 8 years and you will play a mean kit too just as long as your hearts in it man!!!
In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2011 09:51:28 GMT
S J Buck says:
Seaman was not his teacher , Baker was already a proffesional when he first met him. You also need talent, no amount of practise will compensate for a lack of this!
Posted on 14 Apr 2011 11:35:48 BDT
D. M. Williams says:
Thanks for the review. I too was appalled by the behaviour, especially the account of Graham Bond's death. A short, terse paragraph and then back to myself again.
In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012 17:17:38 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2012 17:32:53 BDT
It is well documented that Ginger Baker, original drummer for Cream, was taught by English Jazz legend, Phil Seaman. He conceived a compelling style that has strongly influenced many of the musical elite. Ginger opened a significant door for double bass drumming to evolve in genres outside of jazz. This core technique is the jugular for developing complex playing.If you don't practice and play as much as you can you will lose it...fact talent has got nothing to do with it...fact it has been scientifically proven that to learn anything well and get to the top one requires at least 10,000 hours of practice.. as documented in the book 'Bounce' I suggest you read it.
In reply to an earlier post on 4 Sep 2013 23:47:18 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Sep 2013 23:48:08 BDT
Seamen was the one who opened Baker's eyes to the possibilities of African drumming techniques. He is not the reason Ginger became a drummer, as he was already making his mark by the time he first met Seamen - who regarded Baker at that time as one of the few who had what it took...
Posted on 28 Feb 2014 16:11:04 GMT
Sebastian Palmer says:
Good review 'Clapton Nut'. It's thanks to Ginger Baker, and in particular the funky syncopations of his version of the beat to the Booker T/William Bell song 'Born Under A Bad Sign', that I got started as a drummer. Sadly Baker reverts to a completely dull and very ordinary type of beat in their 2005 reunion version of this great song, which makes one think he doesn't recognise the greatness of his own earlier version!
'World's Greatest Drummer' is a totally unnecessary - not to mention redundant and fallacious - subtitle, in my view: there's no single world's greatest drummer, as there are so many great drummers, all of whom are great for so many different reasons. Drummers like Buddy Rich, and more recently technique-monsters like Jojo Mayer, can make a more reasonable claim to being 'the greatest', as they're far better technicians than Baker ever was or ever will be.
I just read Thackeray's excellent literary bibelot, Vanity Fair, and the egomania that drives drummers like Rich and Baker (Mayer, to his credit, is far more humble) to want to present themselves as the greatest drummer, or hell-raiser, or whatever, is just like the sad vainglorious doings of the characters in that book: ultimately a rather sorry reflection on that frailty we all have, of wanting to be admired. Still, reckon I'll read this at some point anyway.
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