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1.0 out of 5 stars faulty product, 12 Feb 2011
This review is from: The Stooges [Collector'S Edition] [VINYL] (Audio CD)
It seems like those reviewing this have heard the album but not this version. The John Cale mixes are running at the wrong speed. Around 8-10% too slow making them unlistenable. Rhino know about this, they were made aware before this product was released but chose to leave it.
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Initial post: 15 Feb 2011 14:24:27 GMT
C. Davidson says:
It seems to me that if your arguing over 8 - 10 % of speed on an album like this your listening to the wrong music. Think of the era and the environment this album was made in. For those of us who have "lived the life", that's what is so appealing about it. It's not perfect and thats what I like. Roar and rough. Get over it and keep your ridiculous comments to yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2011 00:16:37 BDT
According to Wikipedia, on the 2005 2 CD version the John Cale mixes were "pitch corrected", here they haven't been. I don't really understand how they could have been mastered 8-10% too slow and I certainly don't want to listen to them at the wrong speed. To suggest that it doesn't matter is ridiculous - you're having a laugh, surely? Thank heaven it's only the John Cale mixes, which weren't that hot in the first place. Still no excuse though.

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In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2014 11:58:20 GMT
So does the first LP play the official album mixes at the correct speed and the second LP have the John Cale mixes?

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Feb 2014 13:50:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Feb 2014 14:46:03 GMT
So it would seem, but not having heard this edition I can't confirm it. On the 2 CD version, the album mix and John Cale mix of No Fun (and presumably the other 3 songs with John Cale mixes) play at the same pitch. What I don't understand is the assertion in Wikipedia that:

"Four of Cale's original mixes would later appear on the bonus disc of a 2005 reissued version, with pitch correction applied to them. Five years later, all Cale mixes were released unaltered on the first disc of a 2010 collector's edition release of the album."

This implies that either the John Cale mixes were mastered onto a machine that ran too fast, making them too slow when played at correct speed (possible but that's a huge speed error for a professional standard machine in a studio) or he deliberately slowed them down (seems very unlikely) or the album mixes (and the new mixes of alternate takes etc.) were sped up and Cale's mixes were originally done at correct speed as played (the most likely option I think - the drums always did sound a bit tinny on that album). If they're really sped up by 8-10% that's a huge difference - one semitone is about 5.9%.

Anyway, if I'm correct and the original album was sped up, the Cale mixes here ARE at the original speed as played, as opposed to slowed down. But of course no one who buys this (and NB: it isn't vinyl, it's 3 CDs plus a vinyl 7" single) won't be familiar with the original album so they'll sound wrong.

And whether Rhino intended to make this change or simply failed to speed the tapes up as on the original album is unclear, but they have form here: a few years ago Rhino Handmade put out a 1970 live recording of the Stooges (Have Some Fun: Live At Ungano's) which unmistakeably ran fast, presumably because the cassette machine it was recorded on ran slow. I had to use Audacity to slow it down 6% to the correct speed, referencing the versions on Fun House, so that I could listen to it. This was very easy, and could be done here if required.
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