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5.0 out of 5 stars Amazing, but just no pleasing some people, 24 Oct 2013
This review is from: Downton Abbey - Series 4 [DVD] [2013] (DVD)
Definitely pre-ordered! I love this programme and watch it every week, I am so glad there is going to be special features as well. Lots of people are complaining that scenes have been cut according to their maths or just a sixth sense, they obviously haven't read the product description very well, it clearly states "This product includes the same episodes that air on UK television and no scenes have been deleted. Both the UK and US versions have the same content; however the US version is converted to NTSC from PAL format and this conversion adds 5 mins per episode. This equates to an additional 45 minutes and is not extra content but the conversion rate." Please dont jump to conclusions and hate, if you hate Downton Abbey why are you commenting on Amazon, it makes no sense!
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Initial post: 5 Nov 2013 12:18:48 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Nov 2013 12:37:40 GMT
carman says:
If the US version was converted to NTSC from PAL, the conversion would lower the running time for the US version as NTSC has a higher frame rate. Some kind of telecine or pulldown would be used to correct for frame rate difference and both British and USA versions should be about the same length.

Posted on 7 Nov 2013 07:14:35 GMT
My grandparents generation used to say 'One man's meat is another man's poison.' And oh.. how I have found that to be true over the years.

Posted on 12 Nov 2013 09:15:37 GMT
What is NTSC and PAL format ? Is it difficult to explain?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2013 13:59:39 GMT
Al Baker says:
NTSC is the US TV system based on 60hz frequency, PAL is the European (except France) system based on 50hz frequency. 35mm film (as in the cinema) runs at 24 frames per second. This is incompatible with PAL as 24 into 50 doesn't go. Films on PAL format TV and home video are speeded up to 25 frames per second and thus run shorter than they did in the cinema or on NTSC TV and home video. What this has to do with Downtown Abbey is problematical as Downton is not shot on film, but on digital video. Presumably it is shot digitally at 25 fps and is converted to 24 fps for NTSC screenings, thus running longer than in the UK.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2013 14:13:53 GMT
carman says:
It's basically just two different video standards.
Different frame rate, line count, aspect ratio of the picture. etc

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Nov 2013 14:20:31 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Nov 2013 14:21:52 GMT
carman says:
Shot at 25 and converted to 30 I would have thought?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2013 12:43:17 GMT
Al Baker says:
No. 24fps. Films are not shown on NTSC TV at 30fps, everything would be ridiculously speeded up.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Nov 2013 14:08:43 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Nov 2013 14:21:06 GMT
carman says:
24 fps is for films i.e for the cinema. Normal tv in the states is 30 fps. (29.97)Downton Abbey isn't a film. It would be converted by adding or/and repeating every other frame twice or more.

Posted on 31 Dec 2013 00:00:22 GMT
You are wrong when you say that the US version and the UK version have the same content - and this has nothing to do with NTSC and PAL differences. Granted, the DVD that is released in November in the UK and the DVD that is released in late January/early February in the US have the same content. However. The version that is shown on ITV in the UK is shorter than the version that is shown on PBS in the US for the following reason: The production company finishes any particular season, wraps it up and puts it "in the can" as they say. That production is then delivered to ITV which deletes some scenes to make room for commercials. The same, uncut, production is delivered to PBS which doesn't cut any scenes because there are no commercials. So what Americans see on PBS is a longer version (the original uncut version) than the version Europeans see on ITV. What is completely inexplicable to me is why the DVDs are made from the cut version that is shown on ITV instead of the full uncut version that is delivered to PBS. I have never bought a DVD that had less material than the original until Season Three of Downton Abbey. When I compared my set of Season Three DVDs with the version shown on PBS I found that there were 29 scenes or additional dialogue in the PBS version that were not included in the DVDs. I have watched Season Four about two dozen times on my all-region DVD player and know the season pretty much by heart. Next Sunday, January 5th, Season Four will begin to be broadcast on PBS and I will be watching like a hawk to spot any new scenes or dialogue that is not included in my DVD. What do we consumers have to do to insist that we get the full production when we spend money for the DVDs?
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