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1.0 out of 5 stars IMHO a complete waste of money, 9 Jan 2010
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This review is from: A Guide to the Business Analysis Body of Knowledge(r) (Babok(r) Guide) (Paperback)
If this is their complete body of knowledge, then they are in trouble. If you are looking for a guide that will actually help you do something concrete - then this isn't it.

This is a list of terms with a minimal level of detail. This won't help you become a BA, and if you are a BA looking for some specific knowledge, you won't find it in here in enough detail to be useful.
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Initial post: 13 Aug 2010 12:38:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 Aug 2010 12:39:33 BDT
J. MacManus says:
Thanks for your comments - I have found the same is true of ITIL guides - I want books that show me how to do stuff not just list in microscopic detail what should be done - e.g. what should, and could, be in a Business Case - examples etc. - I am currenlty wading through Business Analysis and Business Analysis Techniques: 72 Essential Tools for Success and will post reviews when I'm done - but I think I am going be pretty positive about them.

Posted on 12 Jan 2011 12:08:51 GMT
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Posted on 29 Jan 2011 15:38:34 GMT
Terry says:
Whilst I agree with you in that it won't make you a BA and is quite basic, it seems to be they have based their certifications on the ability to prove you have done it. So, as a book other than cost (which is the same for these institutes) and lack of examples, the book does a good job at explaining the tools the institution backs.

As a BA you will use these tools but you will also expand into far more powerful techniques such as Lean & Six Sigma. If you work in a Continuous Improvement role like I do, you need tools to analyse the businesses flaws, not just wonder about it's systems.

To be able to function properly you need to cover a) standard BA techniques per this book, b) project management techniques like PRINCE2, PMI, APM, etc because you need to be able to control the project and deliver (and never rely on PM's because if you work in my setting, you end up carrying them half the time as they get lost in the detail and find themselves in a corner because stakeholders raise a lot of questions only the BA gives them confidence with when answered) and c) you need powerful techniques to measure what is wrong, why & how to improve such as Lean & Six Sigma which will work in many settings but have a lot of available tools & techniques with greater detail & emphasis on success.

Posted on 22 Nov 2011 18:24:48 GMT
D. N. Brown says:
That's not what this book is for. This book is a definition of what a BA is supposed to do. It is the basis of the IIBA professional accreditations, CBAP and CCBA. You need to undertstand it firstly to apply for the exam and secondly to pass the exam. It is not designed to to tell you how to do it.

Posted on 22 Apr 2013 15:57:50 BDT
I think you misunderstand the purpose of the BABOK Guide. It is *not* the entire business analysis body of knowledge - I think it would be impossible for a single volume to do that, even on an 80/20 basis, as that BOK comprises all detail of everything known about business analysis. No, this book is, as its title suggests a *guide* to the BABOK. Just as a map doesn't include everything it represents, neither does, or should, or even could, this book.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Apr 2013 16:31:38 BDT
M. Lambert says:
I agree that it couldn't possibly be the entire body of knowledge. If the purpose of the book is as a "stepping stone" then maybe it has some value. But I stand by my previous comments. If you actually need to do something useful in a real world business situation this book will not help. If you read it you might get a 50,000 feet view of Business Analysis but that's about it.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 15:32:21 BDT
Last edited by the author on 5 May 2013 09:11:07 BDT
You say you understand that, but your review starts off by saying "If this is their complete body of knowledge..." - it isn't, it's a *guide*. The map is not the territory, and a hammer is not a screwdriver. To complain that this doesn't give the details of the techniques is like buying a map of the South Downs and complaining that you can't walk over the map and see pleasant views!
If you are seeking didactic material about how to be a BA, the BABOK Guide is not what you want. It exists to be a guide to the body of knowledge, not a textbook on how to apply specific techniques. Unless we mean different things by "stepping stone", it's not intended to be that either. It is precisely, and only, a guide to the body of knowledge.
To be clear, what that means is that if you want to call yourself a BA, you should probably be aware of pretty much everything in this book, and know when to apply which techniques (which is what this book tells you). That doesn't mean you need to be expert in all the techniques, but you can use this book as a guide to knowledge, using it as a multi-dimensional benchmark (or map) against which to measure the coverage of your knowledge and skills, and highlighting areas you need to work on.
It's a book for an actual or aspirant professional.

Posted on 9 Nov 2013 20:10:04 GMT
I found exactly the same thing with the APMBOK. So I wont be buying the BABOK and recommend you don't bother with APMBOK either. Thanks

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Nov 2013 20:13:17 GMT
It's still too damned expensive for what it is which ever way you look at it!

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Nov 2013 20:14:27 GMT
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